Rakosha asks, "Cybermind Whence and Whither?"
Alan says, "Last session beginning here...."
Fluffy twitches involuntary
Rakosha grins at Fluffy.
Lee evaporates
zone spasms a bit herself
Alan says, "Hoping to get some responses about the conference - We can read the stuff here on the wall."
Fluffy begins to dance in a machinic fashion
laurie asks, "how long to the next session?"
Dria has suddenly developed rl company...
Apocryphal sits in silence, still confused
Fluffy says, "about six inches"
Rakosha says, "basically, now ..."
Rakosha says, "ish ..."
Fluffy blushes
Rakosha tickles Fluffy.
Goatium_Guest asks, "at 3:00 am you have rl company?"
Lee wants to know more about the six inches
Fluffy says, "You're about to be asked for feedback"
laurie says, "ok."
Dria pays attn
Alan says, "I'm going to ask you some questions here - please respond - be part of this. We're at the evaluation stage of the conference."
laurie says, "ok."
Fluffy gives Lee six inches to peruse
Lee says, "thanks you, Fluffy""
Alan says, "We need to know how this has worked for you - it's worked here well, but we need to know your experiences as well; we won't respond, but can read them on the wall. Please do tell us."
Alan says, "Thanks, Alan --"
Rakosha nods.
Rakosha nods.
Rakosha nods.
Dria says, "um...the RA is *great*...Cu is too bandwidthy..."
laurie says, "well, it's frustrating not having a good enough computer for real audio."
Rakosha says, "alan's in the talk ..."
Rakosha breathes heavily ...
Dria says, "it would help a lot to have the presentation slides up on the web pre-presentation so we have something to look at..."
Fluffy asks, "anyone seeyouseemeing?"
Dria laughs
laurie says, "all i know about what's going on is what the narrators say on the moo. and that's frustrating."
Rakosha winks slyly to Dria.
Lee says, "I couldn't get the RA to work, CuSeeMe was -- rather marginal...""
laurie says, "i gave up on CUseeme. too much lag."
Dria grins at raK.
zone has only experienced fragments...is utterly amazed at the filtered-thru exerexperience of absorbing via MOO...
Rakosha says, "jerry -- where has CM bben, where's it going ..."
Fluffy says, "well, i can mail you a videotap (PAL)"
Rakosha says, "re: conference ..."
Goatium_Guest exclaims, "laurie and I have the same techno indadequacy. I did mine on purpose!"
Marty exclaims, "Heeeere weee gooo!"
laurie says, "i wished i could talk to the audience directly. speak from the moo."
zone smiles
Rakosha says, "jon good to fleshmeet ... good to meet people who aren't on the list ... gives greater interest ... more topics ..."
Alan says, "You can now .."
Rakosha tackles Marty to the ground !
Alan says, "I'll make sure the speakers ask you directly."
Fluffy puts fingers in ears
Dria says, "okay"
Fluffy says, "its getting loud here"
Goatium_Guest says, "a DecTalk speech thing would enable us to "speak" to the audience from here"
Lee says, "Now that I'm getting used to it, I'm enjoying the MOO -- but wish the audio had worked...""
laurie says, "i wished one of the speakers had delivered from the moo with the audience in the site reading the moo. and letting us be the respondents."
Fluffy looks at Karen, who is talking
Marty says, ""mmm ... the Realudio was working .."
zone feels like she's part of a greek chorus as a MOO participant...
Marty asks, "Wasn't it?"
Dria says, "say RA is working now."
Marty says, "Cool."
laurie says, "the real audio didn't work for all of us. it depended on our home systems."
Rakosha says, "karen -- hopes that thru the discussion of the issues ... main hope is to join together to make thought concrete in the rl ... create many proj.s together ... come together irl, and virtually ... CM2 and CM3 whatever, will be elsewhere ... perhaps bnot perth ..."
Goatium_Guest says, "I wish there could have been more thinking about what the low bandwidth participants might bring to the process"
Fluffy listens as karen says..."cm2 and 3... maybe somewhere...
Lee says, "I meant, for me; my computer didn't have enough memory""
laurie says, "me too, lee."
Marty asks, "Laurie?"
Marty asks, "Something to say about the future of the conferences?"
Fluffy says, "i didn't have enough memory either - buts that's a wetware problem"
Marty says, "etc"
Rakosha coughs.
Marty says, "We;'re all waiting for you .."
laurie says, "real audio doesn't work for those of us with lesser systems."
Fluffy waves
Marty asks, "Dria?"
Dria says, "okay...hold on."
Fluffy taps fingers impatietly
Rakosha smiles.
Marty says, "e're all silent and looking at the screen .."
laurie says, "I'd like to see us work from the moo out to the physical conference."
Rakosha chuckles.
Marty asks, "What do you mean?"
Rakosha says, "alan -- a speaker who originates on the moo for at least one session ..."
Dria waits for laurie to finish
Marty asks, "Speaker on the moo ...delivering the paper ?"
Dria says, "neat idea"
Fluffy exclaims, "jump in guys, nows your chance!"
Lee says, "I think being able to see even a little on CuSeeMe is pretty amazing, from half a world away.  Cheers to all who engineered this, I say...""
Rakosha grins at Fluffy.
laurie says, "to write rather than speak, to read rather than listen. yes, marty,"
Rakosha nods.
Goatium_Guest says, "There is something very "first contact" about us typing here like aborgines while people who arent typing back "tell" us about cyberspace..."
laurie says, "to emphaisze the textuality of the medium."
Dria says, "for the presentations that had slides, it sucked for online folk...it would have been good to have them up on a webpage pre-preseentaion."
Fluffy says, "fanny says maybe we couldn't communictate f2f, and we'd have to go on line to communicate..."
Fluffy says, "..but we didn't..."
Rakosha nods to Dria.
zone considers quiet entrancing moment solitary "speaker" delivering text via MOO would be beautiful...
Rakosha smiles at zone.
Fluffy exclaims, "NEXT TIME !"
zone smiles...shines
Rakosha grins at Fluffy.
laurie nods at zone.
Dria says, "um...RA is GREAT when it works...like being there sorta ;)"
Marty says, "yep"
Marty says, "Richard speaks .."
Fluffy listens to richard
Goatium_Guest exclaims, "that is a great idea zone. you keep saying "we're looking at the screen now!" but that is what WE have been doing HERE for hours!"
Fluffy exclaims, "Richard says its the quality, not the number in attendence that makes it!"
Fluffy says, "it did what it should do - a catalyst"
Lee Lee again attempts the friendly yet intelligent routine.
laurie says, "and the text of the moo is pretty much our total experience of the conference."
Rakosha says, "richard -- success judged by attendance ... ?  actually, i use the quality of what's happening, not the numbers ... this conf. was successful in that it was small enough for usa to all get to know each other, serve as a catalyst for making new friends, an opportunity to spend time with one another ... "
Fluffy says, "larger conferences... y' don't get to hang out with the speakers..."
zone dreams always of direct textual connection thru her fingers etheral and immediate etcetera...
Rakosha says, "richard -- the ability to hang out with stelarc all weekend ..."
Goatium_Guest says, "I didn't see a whole lot of respect for the fact that your AUDIENCE wanted you to interact with them on the screen."
Dria says, "the whole thing has been brilliant...absolutely inspriational...I have so many IDEAS! now...for art digital art text art stelarcian (ish) art..."
Fluffy says, "every day it got better and better"
Rakosha exclaims, "richard -- the superior technology ... MARTIN IS IT !!!!!"
Fluffy says, "martin is the technology (claps)"
Marty blushes.
Rakosha worships Marty all over the place.
laurie says, "it would have been nice to have the speakers online for Q and A."
Fluffy says, "..no wonder it kept going down :)"
Dria has fallen madly in love with Martin :)
Rakosha grins at Fluffy.
Marty hugs Dria warmly.
Dria beams crazily
laurie exclaims, "Yea for Martin!"
Rakosha says to Dria, "i'm heartbroken ..."
Dria grins at Rak, hey...sorry :)
Fluffy says, "it was an unplanned pleasure for richard"
Rakosha says, "richard liked the moo projections ... watching your guys reactions ..."
Rakosha sighs loudly.
Marty hugs Rakosha warmly.
Marty licks Rakosha ever so slowly.
Rakosha licks Marty ever so slowly.
Rakosha snaps her fingers.
Dria  is glad that people liked our MOOconf :)
Marty jumps.
Rakosha tackles Marty to the ground !
Fluffy licks everyone
Rakosha grins at Fluffy.
Rakosha spins around happily.
Marty offers hugs to all.
Rakosha runs a random tackle.
Goatium_Guest says, "Even now, where is everyone--alan, ari, stellarc. I feel like I am yelling from a MOO ghetto"
Marty says, "Well ... text is like that .."
Fluffy claps (quietly)
Rakosha says, "they're reading evberything ..."
Dria says, "yeah...too many more people on MOO whould be nutty."
Marty says, "They're all here sitting around .."
Rakosha says, "alan -- feels good aboiut everything ..."
Marty says, "Listening ..."
Marty says, "Good atmosphere .."
Fluffy puts fingers in ears - loud again
Rakosha says, "alan -- variety of viewpoints are amazing ..."
Goatium_Guest asks, "Wasnt it Foucault who said the silent have the power?"
Marty says, "Alan's doing his Leanard Cohen thing again ..."
zone realizes and undoes unhinges for a moment...
Fluffy says, "alan is grateful"
Rakosha says, "alan -- urls and other materials to take with us ... tremendous gratitude to everyone ..."
Dria laughs  *mm* Leonard
Rakosha says, "alan -- thanks to everyone ..."
Fluffy says, "monyument to karen"
zone smiles
Rakosha says, "big claps for karen ..."
Fluffy begins to build a monument
Marty says, "Monument in Perth if not Sydney - alan"
laurie exclaims, "Yea for Karen!"
Dria exclaims, "yay for Karen !"
Marty says, "Fanny has a phrase in her head ."
Rakosha says, "fanny -- a pleasure ... 'the internet intersection' ... "
Marty says, "Huge crossover .."
zone sends fluttering rose petals down from the heavens for karen...
Rakosha says, "fanny -- joyed to be here ... thinks it was a wonderful space ... wants to continue to all work together ..."
Rakosha says, "big claps for helen ..."
zone waves to fanny :)
Rakosha says, "big claps for helen ..."
Rakosha says, "big claps for helen ..."
Rakosha says, "big claps for helen ..."
Dria says, "I'm amazed the MOO projection wsn't just distracting as hell..."
Marty says, "helen roberts needs another monument .."
Rakosha shakes her head at Dria.
Rakosha says to Dria, "was _good_ ..."
Dria says, "wow.  Good :)"
Rakosha says, "look at the virtual papers, and maybe post comments ..."
Rakosha smiles.
Fluffy drops monument.
ule fades in from Entry Point and joins you.
Rakosha grins at Fluffy.
Lee dittoes all of the kudos...
Fluffy points at monument
Rakosha cheers enthusiastically at Fluffy.
Dria  's rl company gives up, sighs at my distractedness & leaves :>
Goatium_Guest asks, "congratulations to all. is there another place where people will be talking about conferencing, what works and what doesn't?"
Rakosha says, "jerry -- talking about the community ... having come together, we've bled heavily into the outside world ... encouraging to see the participation of indigenous people ..."
laurie says, "dria, that sounds like a cat."
Dria laughs...he is rather catty ;>
Rakosha says, "jerry -- the quality of the people, their commitment to the list that has given it the strength to continue ,,,"
Lee wonders if the bleeding into the outside world has to do w/ Stelarc?
Rakosha says, "jerry -- sharing feelings, thought, ideas, in new ways that he hasn't seen on other lists ..."
Dria feels unqualified inthe quality dept, but, hey...alas ;>
Rakosha tackles Dria to the ground !
Dria says, "*oooff*"
laurie says, "dria, you've just as much quality as the rest of us."
Marty says, "jerry likes the distant partici-pants."
Rakosha says, "jerry -- like the involvement of the moo, people beyond the conference to insert various things into the conference ..."
Rakosha nods to Marty.
Rakosha tackles Marty to the ground !
Marty says, "Jerry thinks more of that .."
Dria says, "hey...it's good to know our latenights are appreciated ;)"
Fluffy says, "jerry wants to get into your partici-pants"
Dria laughs
zone laughs
Rakosha grins at Fluffy.
Lee snarfs
Marty says, ""
Fluffy hides
Rakosha says, "jerry's lost ish ..."
Rakosha grins at Fluffy.
Dria grins
Lee says, "?""
Marty turns a neat triple somersaulyt.
Marty says, "Well, OK .. not that neat."
Rakosha says, "jerry -- new basis, set of ideas to go forward with ... bringing it together in this forum is a real time ver. of the list ... the human dimension has been emphasised ..."
Fluffy watches marty land on his back
Rakosha . o O ( somersaulyt ... ? )
Rakosha nods to Fluffy.
Goatium_Guest says, "I wonder if any of the partipants thought the MOO commentary wasn't like having a heckling audieence in stand up, or having a  an engaging (or combative) audience  like NY performance artists get..."
zone emphasizes her human dimension...
Marty says, "People on the list ... real people .. hsaring thoughts and dreams .."
Dria cheers at the thought of an ongoing CM MOO
Marty says, "Three questions .."
Marty says, "from karen .."
Fluffy says, "three questions - answered in wryting..."
Marty says, "for everyone..."
Rakosha nods to Dria.
Rakosha nods to Dria.
Rakosha nods to Dria.
Fluffy says, "(karen is asking)"
Lee says, "It's hard to maintain the proper respectful attitude when you can't see what's going on...""
Dria asks, "um...we're supposed to answer?"
laurie asks, "what are the questions?"
Rakosha nods to Dria.
Marty says, "What did you like about the conference?  -Karen"
Fluffy says, "she's asking us, but what the heck..."
Fluffy asks, "what did you like about the conference?"
Marty asks, "What didn't you like about the conference?"
Goatium_Guest asks, "I agree with Lee, but that is a useful thing to think about, no?"
Fluffy asks, "what didn't you like about the conference?"
Fluffy says, "how would you do it better next time"
Rakosha asks, "how would you improve it ... ?"
Marty says, "What would you do better next time."
Dria says, "hm.  this sounds like email stuff."
Rakosha says, "in triplicate, even ..."
Marty says, "And what didn't you like about the conference."
Dria laughs
Fluffy says, "intriplicate even"
laurie says, "i liked that i could participate, but i didn't like that i didn't know very well what was happening."
Rakosha says, "and what did you like about the conference ..."
zone says, "Hey that's four questions...:)"
Fluffy looks around for a pen
Rakosha cackles maniacally.
Dria says, "Liked: able to participate from half a world away"
Lee says, "I liked that I could participate -- it would improve it if I could _be there_""
Dria says, "Disliked: er...it was half a world away :)"
Rakosha smiles, Karen is told to remain where she is ...
Dria says, "Better: um...most of it's obvious :)"
Fluffy watches as Helen gives KAren a palnt
zone nods in agreement with Dria...quite a thrill to be awake bleary eyed and remotely connecting up with y'all in yr daylight...
Rakosha says, "karen is being given a plant, bougainvillea ..."
Fluffy says, "she says - watch it grow like cybermind... its low maintainence"
Dria laugh
Rakosha says, "fine ... she _killed_ my plant ... ;P"
Dria says, "s, even"
Marty exclaims, "I got a cactus!"
laurie says, "ha! cybermind's not low maintenance."
Fluffy holds out his hand to receive a cactus
Rakosha foos vaguely.
Rakosha grins.
Dria dances madly
Lee says, "This MOO thing -- I feel like the peanut gallery :-)""
Rakosha snoodles Dria frenzily.
Rakosha says, "yay helen ..."
Marty says, "Ari gazes off into the distance reflectively .."
Rakosha says, "yay helen ..."
Rakosha says, "yay helen ..."
Fluffy says, "funny - you LOOK like a penut"
laurie says, "i wanna snoodle too."
Dria grins...peanuts, indeed :)
Fluffy says, "=a"
Rakosha says, "richard lives under his hat ..."
Fluffy snoodles
Dria develops a crush on hat-man
Dria grins
Rakosha says, "fanny takes notes ..."
Rakosha says, "more flowers ... :)"
Lee says, "i wanna snoodle, I wanna snoodle""
Rakosha snoodles Lee frenzily.
Rakosha snoodles Lee frenzily.
Rakosha snoodles Lee frenzily.
Rakosha snoodles Lee frenzily.
Rakosha snoodles Lee frenzily.
zone soars angelic in the distance fading re-emerging absorbing thru filter of textual interpretation almost trancelike...
Rakosha smiles brightly ...
Fluffy gives flowers out to *all* of the v-partici-pants
Lee says, "hot damn! that was great!""
Rakosha smiles at zone.
Rakosha says, "big people thanks ..."
Rakosha smiles.
Rakosha says, "thanks thanks thanks ..."
Lee says, "are we the Big People or the Little People?""
zone ...absorbing sensory text spatially thru her pores...
Rakosha says, "you are the _real_ people ... ;)"
Rakosha says, "claps for marty ..."
Dria says, "we're the surreal people"
Rakosha claps Marty
Rakosha claps Marty
Dria snoodles Marty :)
Rakosha worships Marty all over the place.
zone laughs at big/little real/unreal etc...
Marty is getting snoodled off his feet ..
Fluffy puts cactus somewhere Petal can't suck on it
Fluffy exclaims, "ouch!"
Fluffy puts cactus soewhere else
Dria giggles
Marty  still feels tingling in his arm where Stelarc zapped it.
Rakosha says, "more thanks more thanks more thanks ..."
zone points to demonstration of cyberpain by Fluffy...
Rakosha grins at Marty.
Dria says, "Marty, you nut :)"
Lee refrains from telling anyone where to put cactus
Rakosha says, "more claps ..."
Rakosha howls long and loud at the full moon ...
Dria claps for Rak :)
Fluffy claps frentically
Rakosha snoodles Dria frenzily.
zone applauds major-ly
Rakosha says to Dria, "my thanks ..."
Fluffy blushes
Dria says, "Yummo!! :)"
Rakosha yay's fluffy ...
Rakosha bounces around Fluffy.
Dria exclaims, "YAY Fluffy!"
Goatium_Guest exclaims, "thanks especially to Rakosha for narrating everything!"
Rakosha grins at Goatium_Guest.
zone smiles...yes!
Marty exclaims, "yes!"
Marty kisses Rakosha tenderly.
Rakosha says, "some -- a pleasure ... :)"
laurie exclaims, "yes, thank you, Rakosha!"
Dria exclaims, "aye!"
zone hugs Rakosha...yes yes yes
Rakosha leans in close to Marty.
Rakosha hugs all ...
Lee eats thorns and wonders about excessive boucing...
Dria says, "and thanks to Alan and his fast fingers for transcribing so much."
Goatium_Guest exclaims, "If it weren't for you the confernce wouldnt have even existed for us!"
zone exclaims, "YES!!"
Rakosha spins around happily.
Marty says, "Especially Alan's typing .... "
Rakosha nods to Marty.
Dria snoodles Rakosha, Martin, and Alan simultaneously
Rakosha cheers enthusiastically at Dria.
zone tosses magnificent guilt leaves into the air in honor of Alan's efforts...
Fluffy looks at the thankyou list - its now on the site
zone laughs .... gilt!!!
Rakosha grins at zone.
Fluffy says, "trees are guilty"
Alan says, "Hi - this is Alan here - we're just about ending at this point, and Karen is giving thanks to people. I want to thank you all for staying up for this, seriously, and participating in this as well..."
Dria cheers madly for everyone
zone cracks up
Rakosha nods.
Rakosha nods.
Rakosha nods.
Rakosha cheers wildly.
Dria says, "Hi Alan.  It's been fun :)"
laurie says, "you're welcome."
Fluffy hugs alan
zone smiles
Rakosha cheers CMMOO ...
Rakosha spins around happily.
Lee expresses sincere appreciation for all of this...
Rakosha cheers CMMOO ...
Rakosha cheers CMMOO ...
Rakosha cheers CMMOO ...
Rakosha says, "lots ..."
Dria Cheers CMMOOO
Goatium_Guest says, "Thanks for having us"
Rakosha spins around happily.
Dria says, "O...o. :)"
Alan says, "This has been pretty amazing at this end. We'll swend out photos but maybe not that many"
zone floats upwards in sudden euphoria
Apocryphal thanks from the lurkers....
Rakosha grins at Apocryphal.
Rakosha waves to Apocryphal.
Alan says, "until I'm back in the States and can reduce their kilobytes... so we don't flood people -"
Lee says, "All photos much appreciated...""
Apocryphal wazes to Rakosha
ule  says thanks from another lurker
Alan says, "We're "
Rakosha smiles at ule.
Dria smooches Alan relentlessly (thanks :)
Alan says, "thanking you again..."
Rakosha says, "thanks Cm in general ... :)"
ule  smiles
Fluffy says, "..."thanks to CM for making the most remote city in the world the centre of this discourse...""
Dria beams
Rakosha cheers enthusiastically at Fluffy.
Alan says, "We're thanking Karen again - "
Rakosha smiles.
Alan says, "And I want to thank you as well here -"
Rakosha worships k*.
Dria says, "heh..she must be quite a madwoman :)"
laurie says, "sounds like an orgy of gratitude..."
Alan . o O ( Rakosha sucks up to everyone!!! )
Fluffy  swoozes - overwhelmed by all this mutual appreciation
Rakosha grins at laurie.
Dria laughs
Rakosha tackles Alan to the ground !
Dria says, "we're all so awesome :)"
Rakosha bites Alan hungrily.
Rakosha bites Alan hungrily.
Rakosha grins at Dria.
Fluffy says, "thanks to caffiene"
Dria waves....4:30am.  woo.
Dria says, "woo for coffee."
Dria laughs
Alan says, "Just thanked you here for keeping eup"
zone is dreaming this...
Fluffy listens - dissenting voices
Rakosha smiles.
Dria pinches herself...nope...it's real :)
Rakosha tries to hold a mike and type ...
laurie is dozing off.
Fluffy says, "someone saying they felt excluded..."
Alan says, "We're taking a q&a ---"
Dria asks, "oh?"
Dria asks, "how so? (excluded)?"
Fluffy says, "foucault is being quoted""
Lee can't decide whether dozing will win out over enthusiasm...
Alan says, "It's about time to close down here... I think..."
Goatium_Guest says, "are they using my quote? lorrdy"
Alan says, "At least at this end. The MOO is going to stay up -"
Rakosha almost dislocates her thumb ...
Rakosha nods to Alan.
Alan says, "And I think for the foreseeable future; we'll be on, on and off in relation to it -"
Dria says, "yeah, like I'm gonna be up much longer :)"
Rakosha grins at Dria.
laurie says, "i think i'd better go to bed before i fall over."
Dria says, "Yay...the MOO is great."
Rakosha snoodles Dria frenzily.
Alan says, "I didn't mean tonight, Dria - although I'm bleary as well..."
zone smiles
Alan asks, "What time is it where youare?"
Fluffy falls over for the hell of it
Rakosha snoodles laurie frenzily.
laurie says, "3:30 am."
Dria says, "it's er...4:30am. *ugh*"
ule 9:30 am
Lee says, "1:30 am here in Denver...""
Fluffy snoozles laurie ..
zone 's time is merely 12:30 a.m....
Dria says, "I win! :)"
Alan says, "Good grief... It's 4:30 here at the moment..."
Apocryphal says, "1:30..."
Alan says, "You do, Dria..."
Dria says, "grief is right :)"
Dria laughs
Rakosha says, "4.30 pm"
Fluffy asks, "is grief ever good?"
Rakosha grins.
Dria smiles
Alan says, "We're going through a group session here at the moment."
zone blows a big kiss to everyone in Perth...
Dria says, ""group session" eh?  ;>"
Alan says, "Grief is a way of suturing the self, cohering within and without the community - it's always good."
Fluffy says, "rich responds to Michael - dissenting voice"
Rakosha hugs zone warmly.
zone hugs Rakosha warmly
Dria listens
laurie says, "bye, y'all. time to go beddy bye. it's was nice talking to you."
Rakosha hugs laurie warmly.
Alan says, "Good night, Laurie"
Dria exclaims, "nite laurie!"
zone says to laurie, "bye laurie :)"
Rakosha says, "take care ..."
Rakosha smiles.
Alan says, "Bye everyone...."
Fluffy exclaims, "g'nite!"
laurie says, "gnight"
Fluffy hugs laurie
Dria hugs Alan (nitey)
laurie has disconnected.
zone smiles...waves...begins to blurrrrrrrr.....
Fluffy hugs dria
Rakosha smiles.
Dria snuggles Fluffy *love*
zone beams at her MOO cohorts
Lee Lee wanders into oblivion...
Rakosha spins around happily.
Fluffy sneaks in a little kiss
Dria blushes ;>
Lee says, "Night all""
Rakosha waves to Lee.
Dria says, "nitey Lee."
Rakosha says to Lee, "take care ..."
zone says to Lee, "'night :)"
A very large pelican scoops laurie up in its enormous beak and flies off to drop her in bed.
Fluffy looks down at Petal, who is already sleeping soundly
Rakosha smiles.
Lee has disconnected.
Rakosha says, "and then there were 10 ..."
Dria beams happily at Petal.  *love*
zone asks Rakosha, "so are folks getting up to leave now in the conf hall?"
Fluffy beams !
Rakosha says, "they're still talking about results ..."
zone nods...ah
Rakosha smiles.
A very large pelican scoops Lee up in its enormous beak and flies off to drop it in bed.
Dria breaks down and has another smoke...*hak*
zone suddenly felt the weight of her own sensory impairment
Rakosha says, "alan -- don't know what you measure community by ... list has 360 people ... larger than a nuclear family ... "
Rakosha smiles at Apocryphal.
Fluffy says, "and a lot larger than a post-nuclear one"
Apocryphal has disconnected.
Rakosha grins at Fluffy.
Fluffy grins back
Dria says, "and what of cross-listers...FC has about 350 as well...my family has 700+ people.  Neat."
Rakosha nods to Dria.
Rakosha says, "terry's talking about separation of onlist/offlist ... alan says there isn't a separation ..."
Rakosha says, "they disagree ..."
A very large pelican scoops Apocryphal up in its enormous beak and flies off to drop him in bed.
Rakosha shrugs.
Fluffy shifts uncomfortably. some heavy vibes going down here
Dria says, "family is not a thing of blood by is measured in respect and joy in each others lives."
Alan says, "We all fight furiously. A bird comes in and out."
Dria says, "by=but"
Fluffy says, "alan and Michael were getting into a bit of a heated discussion"
Alan says, "He says that 360 people on a list aren't a large number. I say any number aren't a large number."
Rakosha nods.
Fluffy nods
Dria agrees
zone . o O (...'size doesn't matter'...)
Rakosha grins at zone.
Dria snicker
zone smirks
Goatium_Guest says, "ask him to define "matters""
Rakosha asks, "which 'him' ... ?"
zone wondered the same thing...being, after all, a "her"...
Dria asks, "I'm not sure what the discussion is about?"
Fluffy says, "people are talking around the issue of the difficulty of accessing the conference for someone *outside* the list trying to enter into this *ongoing* discourse"
Rakosha nods to zone.
Dria says, "ahh.....I seee.  Hm."
Rakosha nods to Fluffy.
Fluffy listens to T bone
ule asks, "what's the ongoing disourse right now?"
Fluffy asks, "he says .. what happens when we vanish bavck into the net?"
zone is aware of issues of access also from the point of view of access to knowledge of scholarly references, etc...
Dria says, "we don't vanish...we've always *been* here."
Rakosha says, "if you're not on the list, you should join it ..."
Fluffy says, "...if you're not on the list you should join and keep in touch..."
Rakosha says, "but you're all there, anyways ..."
Rakosha licks Fluffy ever so slowly.
Fluffy says, "... this is what the list has been like""
Rakosha says, "tell your friends and colleagues ..."
Rakosha says, "get them in ... :)"
Fluffy says, "... tell your friends, your colleagues, the guy who cleans you car..."
Dria says, "I already do :)"
Rakosha says, "the one who removes lint from the pocket ..."
Goatium_Guest says, "there is no such thing as a tabula rasa. of course there was a pre-existing group and conversation happening that excludes others. It has been ever thus"
Dria says, "the majority glaze-over, but some...some join...if not CM then FC...it's a slow process...we're only begining."
zone nosd
zone nods too
Dria grins
Rakosha smiles at Dria.
Fluffy says, "yp, gg I've got the album"
Fluffy realises that was a bit obscure
Rakosha grins at Fluffy.
Goatium_Guest says, "the bible is on an album now? that is cool"
zone smiles at Fluffy
Dria says, "the thing about this space is that it's *new*."
Rakosha grins at Goatium_Guest.
Alan asks, "What album?"
Rakosha just grins all over the place ... ;P
ule grins
Fluffy says, "yeah, but try playing it backwards"
zone wonders if inclusion/expansion is always the desired trend...
Dria laughs
Rakosha laughs at Fluffy.
Fluffy looks pleased
Dria says, "zone: the more the merrier :)"
zone wonders, then, if "merriment" is always the desired trend :)
Dria says, "well...democracy is :)"
Fluffy says, "i dunno... sometimes i just can't keep up with the amount of postings"
Fluffy says, "stelarc is talking about intellectual fervour"
Dria says, "not all on one list...arg...there should be multi-list conferences :)"
Dria says, "Stelarc would ;>"
Alan says, "Stelarc says this is the best conf. he's been at . Others have critiqued the inside/outside nature of all of it."
Fluffy says, ".. the extent and expanse of ideas propogated"
Rakosha grins at Dria.
Goatium_Guest says, "it might be a more interesting question to ask, who is at the margins of cybermind or FOP? Who is marginalized everywhere else on earth *except * when they come onto those mailing lists"
Fluffy says, ".. sucking in people from other places - MOO straws"
Fluffy says, "IN...not off:)"
Dria says, "mmm...sucking ;D"
Alan says, "I'd agree with that question - part of the problem is that the conf. originated from the list, but that wan't clear to some of the people here."
zone listens to Alan...hmm
Dria says, "tech is currently exclusionary (to a point)...it's our job to work to change that."
Rakosha says, "big thanks to all ..."
Rakosha . o O ( again ... ;) )
zone smiles
Fluffy says, "it takes both a particular background of experience and a bit of determination to dive in and not be marginalised sometimes..."
Goatium_Guest says, "See this is interesting because here on the  MOO we have been talking about who is on CM, who is on FOP, etc"
Alan says, "There's also a sense of gossip/rumor/personal discussion of course, that separeates people... Anyway, it' sover - I've got to go - please do send your comments ATAT LEAST "
Dria says, "Fluffy: aye...and it's a scarey thing, too."
zone wonders, again, at the idea of marginalization...and if, indeed, it is necessarily a *bad* thing...
Dria hugs Alan goodnight.
Alan says, "It's over, I've got to go - please do send your comemnts at least to the list..."
Dria says, "okey doke."
zone smiles
Rakosha hugs Dria warmly.
zone hugs
Dria says, "I'm gonna think about 'em for a while"
Alan says, "Bye.... everyone..."
zone says to Alan, "Thanks Alan.  Take care."
Rakosha hugs zone warmly.
Dria multi-hugs everyone.
Goatium_Guest says, "zone I think marginalization is how we make identity..."
Fluffy asks, "em?"
zone hugs Rakosha
Fluffy hugs
Rakosha smiles.
zone says to Goatium_Guest, "yes"
Alan says, "We love you all, have to go now.... love, Alan"
Rakosha says, "yall take care now ..."
Goatium_Guest says, "goodnight, all! this has been very fun"
zone smiles and wave
Rakosha says, "sleep deep deep deep ... :)"
zone says, "waves too :)"
Fluffy says, "bye bye"
zone will sleep beautifully...
ule says, "bye take care"
Alan has disconnected.
Rakosha waves to ule.
Fluffy polishes monument, gets up to leave
zone laughs
Dria asks, "emma? you mean?"
Marty says, "Hi@quit"
Fluffy starts up motorcycle
Marty has disconnected.
Rakosha waves to Marty.
zone exclaims to Fluffy, "you funny!"
Dria says, "whoa...weird mini-crash."
Fluffy tucks petal in
Dria hugs Marty, Fluffy, Rak, all...nitey
zone smiles...
zone hugs Dria
Rakosha stretches, gets up from her cage ...
zone says to Dria, "take care :)"
Dria hugs zone
Rakosha rattles the bars ...
zone laughs
ule has disconnected.
zone says to Rakosha, "Rakosha you rule :)"
A very large pelican scoops Alan up in its enormous beak and flies off to drop it in bed.
Fluffy hugs dria
zone hugs Rakosha
Dria says, "byeeee..........."
Rakosha grins at zone.
Dria goes home.
Rakosha hugs zone warmly.
Fluffy revvs up and blasts off
Rakosha . o O ( thru\ough the bars ... )
Fluffy goes out through the out door.
zone cracks up at the Fluffy easy-rider deal
zone smiles..ok ok I guess I'm outta here too :)
zone waves...
A very large pelican scoops ule up in its enormous beak and flies off to drop it in bed.
zone says, "Best wishes to all..."
zone says, "Thanks..."
Rakosha smiles at zone.
Rakosha says, "take care ..."
zone smiles at Rakosha
zone says to Rakosha, "you too :)"
zone waves
zone has disconnected.
Rakosha tackles you to the ground !
Rakosha snoodles Marty frenzily.
Rakosha says, "bye de bye whoevers left ... :)"