Rakosha says, "richard mackinnon ..."
Dria says, "yup, cool. :)"
Fluffy has disconnected.
Rakosha says, "3 weeks ago, rm went to spain ... out to dinner ... paella ..."
Alan has @joined you.
Rakosha says, "here comes alan"
Martin says, "hey ho"
Rakosha says, "there ..."
Alan says, "Richard talking about Paella"
zone smiles...Alan!
Rakosha licks Martin ever so slowly.
laurie says, "hi."
Dria says, "hiya Martin, Alan. :)"
Alan says, "This is part of his performance, which will run for an hour or so , a bit late."
Martin smiles at Rakosha.
Alan says, "Hi everyone. This is called Cyberpain"
Alan says, "continued descirption of paella in valencia"
A very large pelican scoops Fluffy up in its enormous beak and flies off to drop them in bed.
zone has a conversation with her nerve endings...
laurie asks, "what about cyberpain?"
Alan says, "I've actually cooked this at one point. It's a performance"
Alan says, "not my cooking, what Martin is doing."
Alan says, "I mean Richard "
Rakosha says, "CUSeeMe's back also ..."
Alan says, "talking about paella pan in the middle of the table"
zone laughs
Martin exclaims, "tune in and see Richard's hat!"
Rakosha nods.
Rakosha nods.
Rakosha nods.
Rakosha grins mischieviously at Martin.
Alan says, "Martins' presentation was excellent by the way"
Martin grins mischieviously at Rakosha.
zone . o O (virtual hat)
Goatium_Guest fades in from Entry Point and joins you.
zone smiles at Martin
Rakosha smiles at Goatium_Guest.
Alan says, "Taling about paells still and we haven't eaten much today..."
Martin says, "Mmmmmm .... patella ..."
zone says to Alan, "Now *that* is cruel"
Alan says, "Talking about children disapeparing from the table who were missing and the guest, Richard, cuoldn't go out and search for the children with the others, et.c"
Rakosha slaps her forehead.
Rakosha trips Martin.
Alan slaps Rakosha's forehead.
Rakosha licks Alan ever so slowly.
Alan licks herself.
Alan makes stupid kissing noises.
Martin licks himself.
Rakosha snoodles Alan frenzily.
zone pouts kiss kiss
Martin says, "mm ... that's relieving the hunger a bit"
Rakosha . o O ( not ... )
Alan says, "Finally, they began to eat the paella, after the children were found, eating from the center communally -"
Dria sits quietly in the corner.
Alan says, "Then it was gone from the center, and you had to reach across the table, etc."
Rakosha asks, "he's not too loud into the mike, is he ... ?"
zone illustrates the story of the children and paella in her mind...
Dria says, "nope...perfect"
Alan says, "So the waiter brings a tool, a long metal handle - yeah, pretty loud"
Martin says, "A big tool has just appeared in Richard's mouth."
Rakosha smiles at Dria.
zone smiles
Rakosha peers at Martin.
Alan thinks it's not my tool...
Rakosha grins at Alan.
Martin says, "A metal tool with a flat edge ..."
laurie says, "but is he talking about cyberpain?""
Martin says, "It makes scraping noise ..."
Dria wondrs if this is being projected :>
Alan says, "metal tool with flat age ..."
Alan says, "edge"
Rakosha shakes her head at Dria.
Martin asks, "Should it?"
Rakosha nods to Martin.
Rakosha nods to Martin.
Alan . o O ( shoud it what? )
Rakosha nods to Martin.
Dria says, "ah.. :) "
Rakosha shakes her head.
Rakosha flip head over heels.
Alan says, "I don't think so - I think he wants it controlled "
Rakosha nods to Alan.
Dria snickers
Rakosha says, "he's had a personal relationship with his tool ... richard ..."
laurie asks, "wants what controlled?"
zone asks Rakosha, "what man does not...?"
Rakosha grins at zone.
zone nods to Rakosha
Rakosha says to laurie, "the session ... "
Alan says, "talking about the similarity of the tool to one used by his mother for spanking"
Alan says, "so the tool was used to bring the kids back into the center of what was considered acceptable gehavior"
Alan says, "behavior"
Rakosha exclaims, "go see richards hat ... !"
Alan says, "pain as a form of discipline - is always controversial"
Dria says, "hm...kay brb (hat-looking)"
Dria has disconnected.
Alan says, "he's studied societies/keysocieties - in relation to this"
chris fades in from Entry Point and joins you.
Rakosha smiles at chris.
Martin says, "Talking BOUT PAIN BRINING PEOPLE BACK TO THE CENTRE OF COMMUNITIES ..."
chris smiles and waves
laurie asks, "but what about other kinds of pain?"
Rakosha cringes at the shouting ...
Alan says, "he's doing a performance ----"
Martin says, "oops... I was typiong blind ..."
Martin says, "didn't mean to shout"
Rakosha ack ... we're up ..
Alan says, "you're forgiven..."
A very large pelican scoops Dria up in its enormous beak and flies off to drop her in bed.
Rakosha grins at Martin.
Rakosha says, "projection action ..."
Martin asks, "But it was painful, yes?"
Rakosha nods to Martin.
Rakosha nods to Martin.
Rakosha nods to Martin.
Alan says, "mentioning his presentation yesterday - concerned w/ those institutions in cyberspace - governance of various types -"
laurie says, "i;m confused"
Rakosha says, "alan is transcribing ... follow his flow ..."
zone . o O (governance ---> pain)
Alan says, "notion of causing pain in cyberspace is a bit problematic (Richard says, not me)"
Alan says, "what kind of pain or pleasure if the virtual bodies can't feel pain or pleasure."
Dria has @joined you.
laurie says, "but there's emotional pain and pleasure."
Dria says, "nice hat...way too bandwidthy.  Painfully so."
Alan says, "Call at antoher conference, we need research on cyberpain."
Rakosha says to Dria, "ahh ... scary ..."
chris asks Dria, "richards hat?"
zone . o O (...pain in cyberspace ---> presence/absence)
Rakosha nods to chris.
Alan says, "Richard says. spent the last 9 months thinking of what cyberpain might be."
Alan says, "unfortunately he doesn't have the answer to cyberpain (he says)"
Dria says, ""indeed, richards hat" to chris"
chris rather liked richards hat
Dria says, "d'oh."
Rakosha grins at chris.
laurie says, "i remember the threads on cybermind."
Rakosha grins at Dria.
Alan says, "it's a very important concept, but he's done a lot more thinking about it than we have (hmmm...)"
Martin says, "thinking and feeling"
Alan says, "He's brought with him two items 2 deal w/ cyberpain"
zone has thought about it...
Alan says, "first item an essay, second item a poem."
Alan says, "essay is for how he thinks, poem is for how he feels."
laurie says, "this is very frustrating to me."
Alan says, "if we discussed pain in scientific language, we would discuss neurons and synapses, etc."
zone asks laurie, "would you go as far as to say it is *painful* to you...?"
Martin asks, "Why, Laurie?"
Alan says, "doesnt get at the anguish and experience of pain."
chris says to Alan, "only if the science was biomedicine"
laurie says, "yes. because i really wnat to know what he's saying and the technology that i have isn't good enough."
Martin says, "The essay is different from a paper .. no thesis ... no hypothesis ... no evidence to support .."
zone nods...understands
chris says to Alan, "talk from a psych perspective and you'd get a different story"
Dria says, "I've gotta figure out how to cleanly combine the ideas of the subject (postmodernism & poststructuralism) with the economic ideas of Marxism.  *hmmmmmm....*"
Martin asks, "No realaudio, Laurie?"
laurie says, "because this is really interesting and important to me. real audio wasn't working for me."
Martin curses technology ...
Alan says, ""poem is meant to deal with how we feel about pain, poetry uses ambiguous languages (he's got a traditional view of poetry, describing it as floating"
Rakosha nods to Martin.
Martin asks, "Why not?"
Alan says, "poem as a huge burst of data about how he feels how cyberpain is."
Alan says, "going to show us the essay now."
Alan says, "turns on the screen, projection here - sorry about that for you on the MOO"
laurie says, "RA said I didn't have enough cpu capacity."
Martin asks, "Sorry, Laurie ... why not work?"
Alan says, "An "Actlab Producton" comes up, "directed by Richard Mackinnon"
Dria says, "damn"
Alan says, "Sorry Dria"
zone says, "wow"
Rakosha says, "CUSeeME"
Alan says, "This isn't being projected at the moment... "
Dria just sits down and shuts up.
Alan says, "In the state of nature or the war of men against men, there is no common ground upon which to build civilization, now laws, no rights, other than the right of nature, which is the right of survival."
zone appreciates the work that is being presented...even if she only receives shards and inferences...
Alan says, "choices too often made by fear, fear of pain, etc. - "
Alan says, "watch over me while I sleep and I'll do this for you, the social contract."
laurie asks, "also says requested server not valid. what address do i need, martin?"
Alan says, "for harmonious living, etc., uilt upon bedrock of pain"
Alan says, "In cyberpsace you can learn to drive your pain or your pleasure."
zone . o O (...entire civilizations based upon desire to sleep in peace...)
Alan says, "told that cyberspace is a consensual hallucination."
Rakosha says, "you think you're hurting me, but you don't know that i actually like it ... and vice versa"
Alan says, "we can't enforce our realities upon one or another, without this we're cyberpainful"
Martin says, "ADDRESS FOR REALAUDIO:   http://www.curtin.edu.au/conference/cybermind/cybermind.ram"
laurie says, "what about cyberspace as a safe place to express pain"
zone has no capacity for such tech...sigh
Alan says, "the cognitive ocntractin the offline world: this is a dog."
Alan says, "pictures of dog coming up"
zone clings to Alan's narrative
Rakosha says, "schiatsu ..."
Alan says, "talking about different dogs, etc."
Alan says, "I cling to myself here -"
zone smiles
Alan says, "there's a greater chance that the cognitive contract will not be in effect in cyberspace -"
Alan says, "breach of contract called cognitive dissonance -"
Alan says, "skill learned in cyberspace"
Alan says, "the pain, cyberpain, is within our control."
zone nods
Alan says, "picture of Elaine Scary's book up on the wall."
Alan says, "lights come up again, he's talking in real life"
Rakosha . o O ( bright lights ... )
Alan says, "describing the book, here"
zone . o O (image of words depicting 'picture of Elaine Scary's book up on the wall'...)
Alan says, "S talks about how we lack a language for pain"
Alan says, "very physical objective experience"
zone . o O (...words describe photo of image of book...which is words...)
Alan says, "incapaqble of sharing this experience with one another."
Rakosha smiles at zone.
Alan says, "because we lack a language of pain"
zone swirls insular yet hopeful
zone . o O (language is pain)
Alan says, "hitting elbow or foot you get "ow" - not so good - baby hears adults say "ow" and stops yowling and says ow etc."
Alan asks, "do we really want this language of pain?"
laurie reconnects.
Rakosha . o O ( projected again ... )
Goatium_Guest says, "Lee says hi..."quit"
laurie says, "RA crashed."
Rakosha smiles at Goatium_Guest.
laurie says, "here anyway."
Martin asks, "Can any one SEND cu-seeme?"
Dria says, "not me."
Alan says, "Me, but I'm here."
Rakosha grins at Alan.
zone must power herself away into the night and sighs...
Rakosha says, "not me, and i'm here ..."
zone will try to come back at the end...
Martin groans.
zone waves
Rakosha smiles at zone.
Rakosha waves to zone.
zone smiles at Rakosha
zone waves to Rakosha
Dria says, "not your fault Martin, I don't have a camera :>"
zone says, "bye for now friends..."
zone has disconnected.
Martin exclaims, "byeeeeeeeee!"
Alan says, "Talking about being stung by a bee, and how if you're stung by a bee, you can begin to sympathize across internal states like this"
Rakosha grins at Martin.
Alan says, "be"
Alan says, "bye"
Martin says, "bees be, bye bye"
Dria  is.
Rakosha says, "bee bop a loo bop ..."
Alan says, "asking audience participation.\"
Rakosha cheers enthusiastically at Dria.
A very large pelican scoops zone up in its enormous beak and flies off to drop her in bed.
Alan says, "asking if any of us are feeling pain."
Martin says, "think of a pain you are feeling now ..."
Dria stands
laurie says, "of course we are."
Rakosha says, "we've identified ourselves as painful ..."
Alan says, "asks us to think about what the pain the people are in pain are feeling."
laurie asks, "which pain?"
Alan says, "unspecified."
Rakosha foos, "no magic cure ..."
Dria sits
Rakosha cackles maniacally.
Alan says, "seems physical."
Dria says, "*woof*"
Rakosha grins at Dria.
Rakosha leans in close to Dria.
laurie sits in one of the conference seats.
Rakosha sits in one of the conference seats.
Alan says, "we don't want to deal with other people's pain, he sez, only our own discomfort."
laurie says, "true"
Dria glances slyly at Rakosha.
laurie asks, "who is in the cuseeme picture?"
Alan says, "quoting S again, because we don't have a lang. of pain, it becomes an uncomfortable thing."
Rakosha says to laurie, "richard ..."
Alan says, "Probably Richard"
Martin says, "I'm not sure that's what he said .... I thought it ws more that we want to deal with it quickly .."
laurie says, "no, this was a woman. now i think it's richard."
Alan says, "I thought it was that we don't want to know."
Martin says, "Well that's why MOOs are so good."
Rakosha asks laurie, "hmm ... no idea ... desc ... ?"
Rakosha nods to Dria.
laurie says, "shoulder-length dark hair."
Alan says, "burning pains, searing pains, cool pains, etc. etc.  - still going on about physical pain ehre."
laurie says, "standing."
Alan says, "here"
Alan asks, "standing?"
Rakosha asks laurie, "wearing ... ?"
laurie says, "the woman that was shown on cuseeme a couple minutes ago."
Speaker fades in from Entry Point and joins you.
Speaker says, "categorised pains ..."
laurie says, "i don't think she was wearing anything special."
Goatium_Guest has disconnected.
The housekeeper arrives to remove Goatium_Guest.
Alan says, "finished with Scarry"
Rakosha says to laurie, "hmm ... can't help you. i'm afraid ... didn't see where the camera was pointed ..."
Speaker says, "Pain varies from person to person .."
Alan says, "pain is different from person to person to person."
Speaker says, "to person .."
Rakosha grins at Speaker.
Martin says, "@rename speaker to Richard"
Rakosha grins at Martin.
Markosha says, "talking about an S/M demonstration now..."
Rakosha boggles.
Lee fades in from Entry Point and joins you.
Markosha says, "There's a chair, and he's describing all sorts of S/M stuff - "
Rakosha tackles Markosha to the ground !
laurie says, "hi, lee"
Lee says, "Hi, Laurie!""
laurie asks, "what kind of s/m stuff?"
Richard says, "spank the small man ..."
Markosha says, "talking about a large man sitting in the chair, skinny man stripped completely of his leather outfit, etc. - describing S/M stuff here as -- they're raising money for AIDS"
Rakosha says, "professional spanking ..."
Richard says, "you warm it up first ..."
Rakosha says, "and then *whack*"
Markosha says, "Lots of whack noises."
Rakosha says, "solid, precise movements ..."
Richard says, "rubbing in between "
Rakosha grins at Richard.
Markosha says, "ooh...."
Rakosha purrs happily.
Rakosha says, "*whack*"
Markosha says, "talking about the big man spanking the small man, newcomers looking to the crowd for explanation, it's a public demo, it's in broad daylight looking at the crowd who seem to be enjoying themselves, etc. "
Rakosha says, "*whack*"
chris grins at Rakosha.
Rakosha says, "more leather clad beings -- the SF police ..."
Markosha says, "the San Francisco police are just beyond the barricades"
Markosha says, "another whack"
Richard says, "...police don't seem to care ..."
Rakosha says, "*whack*"
Markosha says, "another wahck"
Richard spanks his leg.
Markosha says, "now onto the poem "
Rakosha . o O ( not his monk ... erm ... )
Martin laughs.
Rakosha licks Martin ever so slowly.
laurie says, "this is very odd. I can see Richard on CUSeeMe in slomo, i can't hear anything. and i read what's on the moo. it feels very fragmented.nonsensical"
Markosha think about the poem as a sort of practice about what we'll do in cyberspace from the weeks and etc. to come
Markosha . o O ( think )
Rakosha nods to Markosha.
Richard fragments in a nonsensical way.
Markosha says, "some images are going to be shown."
Rakosha gets out the superglue ...
laurie asks, "we'll do 'whack whack' in weeks to come/cum?"
Rakosha grins at laurie.
Markosha says, "trying to disorient us. practice the position of cyberpain."
Martin says, "There needs to be a whack verb"
laurie says, ""i'm certainly disoriented."
Markosha says, "warn us by test audiences need to let us know that some of these iamges are extremely graphic and make us feel uncomfortable. "
Rakosha says, "ooh ... test audiences ... we've been warned ..."
Rakosha says, "brb ..."
Rakosha goes out through the out door.
Richard says, "no computers were injured in this poem."
Markosha . o O ( O o (o O (O o) )
Dria laughs
laurie says, "well, i won't be able to see anything i'm sure."
Markosha says, "well, he's beginning, still of some guy hanging -"
Markosha exclaims, "STELARC! We're home again! HEY!"
Markosha says, "more stelarc"
Richard says, "Images of Stelarc hanging by wires ..."
Rakosha fades in from Entry Point and joins you.
Rakosha *whacks*.
Rakosha *whacks* Martin.
Rakosha *whacks* herself.
Rakosha beams ...
Richard says, "Full-on facial manipulating machine ..."
Martin goes out through the out door.
Martin fades in from Entry Point and joins you.
Richard2 says, "Images of piercings now, etc. etc. - various types of penis piercings, etc. stills I've seen before..."
Martin says, "Split penis .."
Richard2 says, "Images of Fakir Mustafa."
laurie says, "@more"
laurie asks, "who is fakir mustafa?"
Richard2 says, "television blurred imates of faces, things like that, someone with a club maybe, someone hanging"
Martin asks, "Laurie ... how's the reception?"
Rakosha . o O ( twin peaks ... )
Martin says, "We're trying to freeze a couple frames .."
Richard2 says, "Fakir Mustafa is a performance artist written up in Modern Primitives and other Richard magazines."
Richard2 exclaims, "Research I meant!"
laurie says, "i'm getting some audio with cuseeme. the visuals aren't really good but i can see a little."
laurie asks, "am i supposed to be hearing music?"
Martin says, "Stelarc is laughing ..."
Rakosha nods to laurie.
Richard2 thinks and ponders, thank God he's laughing!
Martin says, "That penis pincher is interestung .."
Dria asks, "laughing at what?"
Richard2 asks, "But wait, if you're Richard, WHO AM I?"
Rakosha grins at Richard2.
Richard2 says, ""Lots of pinched nipples, something distorting the mouth..."
Rakosha says, "facial manipulations ..."
laurie says, "the picture is very dark. and hard to see because it's so dark."
Richard2 says, "Hard to see here as well."
Richard2 says, "Blurred, vortex images..."
Martin says, "Laurie getting anything? .... yes ... not sending audio with cu-see me..."
Richard2 says, "The screen is being projected again."
Martin says, "But I could ..."
Rakosha grins at Martin.
Richard2 says, "Machinery and someone's body being torn apart, but it's hard to tell what's really going on - looks like an SPK video."
laurie asks, "i'm getting audio with cuseeme. am i not supposed to be getting it?"
Richard2 says, "Split penis again, stud in penis, etc. (Look at Modern Primitives for some of the sources here.)"
Richard2 says, "oozing gunk at the moment from a hole."
Martin says, "that's pretty sick"
Rakosha nods to Martin.
Richard2 says, "slow music, like Cocteau Twins"
Rakosha says, "twin peaks ..."
Dria says, "Twin Peaks Theme"
Rakosha nods to Dria.
Richard2 says, "Still image with square (metal?) and debris upon it..."
laurie says, "i just lost the picture. it's coming back."
Dria says, "just lost RA"
laurie says, "i can see richard."
Rakosha nods.
Richard2 says, "Music from Shenandoah, Annie Lenox, Julee Cruise, and thanks to Allucquere Rosanne Stone and others."