Rakosha says, "Plenary: Alan Sondheim - Person/Text"
Rakosha says, "Jon Marshall "
Goatium_Guest says, "um there is a whole world of artists, from the Viennese torture artists on, who have been *heavily* involved in dealing with these questions. Just cuz someone sticks an electrode on his head...jeez"
Rakosha says, "Alan Sondheim"
Fluffy says, "i always feel like saying i wish i could take away your pain and find myself frustrated at the inability to deal with it, to help..."
Rakosha says, "coming up ... :)"
Dria cheers randomly
Fluffy says, "i find it much harder to pierce other people ... coz i can't stand to watch them hurt..."
laurie says, "well, tht's not what i'm asking. i ask people to recognize that my kind of pain exists."
Goatium_Guest says, "laurie, Bob Flanagan was a torture artist who also sufferd from acute cystic fybrossis"
Rakosha says, "alan's being alan ..."
Fluffy recognises laurie's pain exists
laurie says, "interesting."
Raxcip says, "and we do.  But recognize that your pain does not exist for all."
Goatium_Guest says, "Flanagan was one of the great performance artists. He just died last year"
laurie says, "yet.... wait until you're 70."
Fluffy disappears
Rakosha waves to Fluffy.
laurie says, "the deterioration of the body hits everyone eventually. that's why i think it needs to be addressed by people like stelarc"
Goatium_Guest says, "You know, if Laurie was bringing up anything but disability--say race, or sexual orientation--people would be much more sophisticated in dealing with it"
Rakosha says, "projected, again ... smalltalk ... nothing's happening yet ..."
Rakosha says, "ok ... here we go ... ari mendoza, alan sondheim, jon marshall, jerry everard ..."
Stelarc has disconnected.
laurie says, "quite so. that's why i'm bringing up. that's exactly why i'm bringing it up."
Dria says, "RAs workin' :>"
Rakosha cheers wildly.
Goatium_Guest says, "cyborg is the theory, disability is the practice, baby."
Marty reconnects.
Fluffy realigns camera
Dria laughs
Rakosha smiles.
Marty says, "Wheee."
laurie says, "i'm trying to put the two together, GG."
Rakosha licks Marty ever so slowly.
Marty blkushes.
Rakosha chuckles.
A very large pelican scoops Stelarc up in its enormous beak and flies off to drop her in bed.
Rakosha says, "ok ... homepage from jefferson -- part of spoons philosophy collective ..."
laurie says, "we need to be part of theory."
Marty says, "Alan's a surrogate renegade member ..."
Goatium_Guest exclaims, "Is this the part where alan is a genius? I love him!"
Rakosha says, "http://jefferson.village.virginia.edu/~spoons/internet_text.html"
Rakosha says, "you know what i mean ..."
Marty says, "yes."
Marty grins mischieviously.
Dria smiles
Rakosha nods to Dria.
Goatium_Guest says, "Rakosha is like the fastest typist in the world"
Rakosha grins at Goatium_Guest.
Marty asks, "Better?"
Rakosha has been typing for longer than she cares to remember ...
Dria says, "a bit...yeah it's okay :)"
Marty says, "I'm transcribing Alan too .."
Rakosha says, "alan -- create an index to go thru all his texts -- the spoons site ..."
Dria cranks the volume a bit.  That's good.
Rakosha smiles at Dria.
Rakosha says, "going thru the homepage ..."
Marty says, "Alan's showing his h ...."
Marty says, "yeah"
Rakosha says, "brief desc ... down into a file listing ..."
Rakosha licks Marty ever so slowly.
Marty says, "Ok, you do it."
Rakosha grins.
Marty huffs.
Rakosha says, "no ... you can ..."
Rakosha foos vaguely.
Rakosha shrugs.
Rakosha says, "both ..."
Marty chuckles.
Marty says, "What the heck /"
Goatium_Guest exclaims, "someone needs to do it!"
Rakosha grins at Goatium_Guest.
Marty says, "Dyads .."
Rakosha says, "the named ... the dyads ... resume ... altogether about 40Mb"
Dria says, "it's huge...i've read vast tracts of it...mindbending"
laurie says, "well, one of you say something about it."
Rakosha says, "alan's going thru his works ..."
Goatium_Guest says, "you can not do enough drugs to read all of that text"
Fluffy asks, "did you hear richard's talk this morning on CyberPain?"
Speaker reconnects.
Rakosha says, "flaming, depression in CS, cybercafes, exhaustion, film/video/computer ..."
laurie says, "i couldn't hear it. i wanted to."
Alan_speaking points out the graphics ..
Dria says, "right now Alan's talking about the file organization of the Internet Text..."
Alan_speaking says, "Graphic form and that kind of thing ..."
Rakosha says, "some graphics -- changes them because the deal with virtuality in a graphic form ..."
Rakosha nods to Alan_speaking.
laurie says, "if you"
laurie says, "if you've been on the lists long enough, you've already read most of it."
Rakosha says, "pictures ..."
Goatium_Guest says, "I've read a ton of it. So much I don't understand, but later I come back to it.."
Rakosha says, "jon's going to talk about life and biography ..."
Marty dims the lights ..
Rakosha says, "ari, internet texts ..."
Rakosha says, "jerry, philosophical stuff ..."
Rakosha says, "all wrt Alan ..."
Alan_speaking says, ""Jon asks about Alan's life and works and writings and films .."
Rakosha snuggles up to Marty happily.
Alan_speaking says, "First from Jon to Alan ..."
Alan_speaking says, "Pot your life."
laurie says, "i'm going to give up on cu seeme and just do the moo. ti's too slow."
Alan_speaking says, "Alan 6 unis, married 4 times ... 30 citis .."
Alan_speaking says, "Three books ..."
Goatium_Guest exclaims, "married 4 times! whoa~!"
Alan_speaking says, "Disorders of the Real  .... bopok ."
Alan_speaking spells well.
Rakosha says, "3 records in the 60's ... 3 books 'individuals', 'disorders of the real"'"
Rakosha says, "and another ..."
Goatium_Guest says, "hope he remembers to mention the new one..."
Rakosha asks, "jon -- interested in writing or film first ... ?"
Alan_speaking says, "All the work has been marginalised discomforting work .."
Alan_speaking says, "Language poets .."
Alan_speaking says, "Well known in the states .."
Alan_speaking says, "bernadetts Mayer ..."
Rakosha says, "alan -- writing in college, bored with writing, eventually got involved with street works, "
Rakosha . o O ( pick your scribe ... )
Alan_speaking says, "Taking poetry into problematic areas like video ...(1974)"
Rakosha says, "video performances in the early vid. days ..."
Dria says, "both...you cover bits that each misses. :)"
Rakosha asks, "jon -- dfescribe the films ... as a way of meditating on things, or the images ... ?"
Goatium_Guest exclaims, "hope we get to vote on the best scribe later!"
Alan_speaking laughs.
Rakosha says to Alan_speaking, "25 hours of film, 50 hours of vid ... done as meditative states ... dealing with male heterosex., sex to the body, autism to the body ..."
Rakosha grins at Goatium_Guest.
Rakosha says, "erm ..."
Alan_speaking says, "Alan compares his work to the work that Richard showed earlyier .."
Rakosha says, "uncomfortable images, would be successful if the audience was still there, but silent ..."
Alan_speaking says, "Audience silent at the end ... uncomfortable .."
Rakosha nods to Alan_speaking.
Alan_speaking says, "showed at St Marks .."
Alan_speaking says, "Left before the audience.."
Rakosha says, "jon -- encouraged by ii richards (?)"
Alan_speaking says, "This is a stupid memory .."
Alan_speaking says, "1940's ... 50's .."
Alan_speaking says, "Alan gave him his writing ..."
Alan_speaking says, "Richards took it ... "
zone has entered Conference Room.
Alan_speaking says, "Returned it next day ... fully annotated .."
Rakosha says, "alan -- he was a leading critic of 40's 50's ... came to speak at alan's college ... alan gave him some writings ... next morning he got his work back, completely annotated from top to bottom ..."
Rakosha says, "what he said ..."
Dria says, "coool. :)"
Alan_speaking says, "jon akss about the origins of Internet Textsts ..."
Rakosha asks, "jon -- what inspired the i-net text ... ?  break between inet text and others ... ?"
Goatium_Guest says, "what a great story"
Alan_speaking talks about video ...
Alan_speaking says, "Early on ..."
Alan_speaking got online ... really felt something radically new ..
Rakosha says, "alan -- no break, really ... when he finally got online, he felt it ewas something radically new in human history ..."
Alan_speaking says, "Different way of articulating .."
Rakosha says, "one thing about stelarc that fascinates is trailing the body into cybers[pace ... reach a point where the body and wires disappear ... seamlessly sutiured with reality ..."
Alan_speaking says, "So comfortable with onlinedness (sic) that it becomes seamlessly sutured withy reality "
Rakosha says, "jon -- summarise the concern of the inet text in 2 sentences ..."
Alan_speaking says, "jon wants a summary of itext in 2 sentences ."
Dria laughs...yeah, right :>
laurie exclaims, "ha!"
Goatium_Guest exclaims, "readers digest!"
zone merges
Alan_speaking says, "Alan talks for hours ..."
Dria says, "yo zone"
zone smiles...you Dria
Alan_speaking says, "And blurs all the sentences together with ands .."
Goatium_Guest says, ""Its about the Internet. Its complex.""
zone says, "yo :)"
Rakosha says, "alan -- issues of subjectivity, virtuality, deconstruction of terms, continuesly evolving ..."
Dria smiles
Alan_speaking is too fast ..
Rakosha says, "ari -- public expression of gratitude for incessant persistence that A's writing has, esp. on him (ari)"
Raxcip says, "shameless (grin)"
Rakosha says, "ari -- writing that have been found no where else ..."
Dria nods in humble agreement.
Alan_speaking says, "Ari asks - Original ideas from Alan ... like nowhere else ... usage of wryting ..."
Rakosha says, "ari -- usage of the word 'wryting'"
Alan_speaking says, "Way that it come to be interchangeable with text .."
Rakosha says, "ari -- wryting interchangeable with 'text'"
Rakosha grins.
Alan_speaking chuckles.
Marty chuckles.
laurie says, "alan has certainly influenced my writing over the past couple years."
Lee says, "Mine as well...""
Alan_speaking says, "Nikobra Sarin (?)"
Dria dittos (recently)
laurie says, "no more fantasy fiction."
Alan_speaking says, "influened by feminine wryting .."
Goatium_Guest says, "another vote for alan as writitn influence"
Rakosha says, "alan -- wymyn ... used by women to indicate a recuperation and embpodiement thru language ... use wryting as a form of embodiement of flesh and desire ..."
Rakosha says, "leaking thru various places ..."
Alan_speaking says, "Someone reads your wryting as a symptom .."
Alan_speaking says, "You can say you're a brunette but the reader will read through that (if it's wryting)"
Rakosha says, "alan -- hesitation of typing , an establishment of presence ..."
Alan_speaking says, "Ari -second topic"
Rakosha says, "on MOOs ..."
Goatium_Guest says, "oh like ecriture feminine for guys. kewl"
Dria has an epiphany.  Ooo.
Alan_speaking says, "make sure you clean up afterwards ... (Martin says to Dria)"
Dria grins
Rakosha says, "ari -- the kinds of texts i was professionally saturated with, what most startled me about A's work was the fact that you use the fragmentary structure of the post ..."
Dria mops off the keyboard
Rakosha says, "ari -- each post like a eunuch ..."
Rakosha asks, "ari -- what do they individual fragments mean to A ... ?"
Lee says, "eunuch""
Dria says, "UNIX (sorry ;)"
Marty says, "Eunuchs OS .."
Marty says, "ha"
Dria snicker
Rakosha says, "alan -- comes from Nietzsche, etc ..."
Rakosha grins at Marty.
Rakosha licks Marty ever so slowly.
Marty tackles Rakosha to the ground !
Goatium_Guest exclaims, "UNIX comes from Nietzsche? Who knew?!"
Lee says, "har!""
Alan_speaking says, "continue discussion of things you've been working through ..."
Alan_speaking says, "resonancce .."
Rakosha says, "alan -- accessible to people that have never seen them before, each fragment has to have a recuperation of the whole ..."
Alan_speaking says, "momentary totality .."
Rakosha says, "alan -- extend itself as well as appearing as a totality ..."
Alan_speaking says, "texts have a kind of slippage"
Dria says, "christ he's a genius.  damn."
Rakosha says, "ari -- difficult for me (anyone) to write so fragmentedly ..."
Rakosha snoodles Marty frenzily.
Alan_speaking says, ""
Marty caffeines.
Alan_speaking says, ""
laurie needs to caffeine too.
Rakosha asks, "alan -- a subversive qusality to your writing, to the simple bulk of the inet text ... what are you subverting ... ?"
Rakosha says, "oop ... ari, even ..."
Dria laughs good question
Marty says, "You must "
zone brews and percolates
Alan_speaking partly attacks instituionalisation in generakl ..
Rakosha says, "alan -- a double edged sword ... time and space to work, different orders, no kind of legitimation structure ... partly attacking academics ... attacking institutionisation in general ..."
Alan_speaking says, "ground themselves are (Marty's memory goes)"
Rakosha says, "alan -- no series opf protocol statements ..."
Rakosha says, "alan -- everything within everything else ..."
Alan_speaking says, "not clear ... everythig in everything else .."
Alan_speaking says, "Everything is interpenetrated with everything else .."
Alan_speaking says, "Stelarc's bodies .."
Alan_speaking says, "VBiruses bacteria ... bacteriaphages .."
Rakosha says, "alan -- the virtual body itself is a transparency from the point of view of bacteria -- a flux of organisms ..."
Dria says, "'stelarcian bodies' neat."
Rakosha nods to Dria.
Alan_speaking says, "Structuration "
Rakosha says, "ari -- successful subversion ..."
Goatium_Guest says, "I have gotten into the outside the academy talk with Alan. its ugly"
Alan_speaking says, "Ari ... number of interventions .."
Rakosha says, "ari -- particularly in gen. of unheard of, original thoughts ..."
zone merges once again with the flickering text before her
Rakosha says, "generation"
Rakosha says, "generation"
Marty says, "Ari asks the same question again ..."
Marty says, "more or less ."
Rakosha grins at Marty.
Marty says, "Ari asks about the withering away of interest in the pono image .."
Marty says, "porno"
Marty says, "cultural artifact .."
Rakosha says, "ari -- withering away of interest in the pornographic image ... captures the loss or discharge, not necessarily in the body .,.. say mnore ..."
Goatium_Guest exclaims, "Rakosha dows all the set up work here, and then Marty gets the glory shots!"
Alan_speaking says, "con"tried three times to read Ulysses ."
laurie asks, "is there really anything left to be called porno?"
Marty exclaims, "Thanks!"
Lee says, "You said it, Laurie!""
Alan_speaking says, "Semi-withdrawal ..."
Goatium_Guest says, "YOu should be thanking Rakosha not me haha"
Raxcip reconnects.
Alan_speaking says, "position of unease ... asociated with burnout ... own phenomenolgy .."
Rakosha says, "alan -- tried 3 times to read ulysses ... try too soon to re read a novel, feel a sense of disgust/distaste, pasty quality, the novel becoming 'spoilt' ... notion of the abject ... but not quite, not the same relation to the body ... own ideoloy, own physiology ..."
Alan_speaking says, "Ari is envious .."
Rakosha asks, "erm ... phenomenongsalUHJGBfdsljkh?"
Alan_speaking says, "Ari would have got too disgusted before he thought of that last idea .."
Alan_speaking says, "But applauded it."
Rakosha asks, "ari -- what's next ... ?  where do you feel your thoughts crawling to ... where's the next phil. turn ... ?"
laurie asks, "which idea?"
Marty can spell really ... not at this high speed ...
Rakosha says, "alan -- hard to answer ... more programming for interactive texts ... did it in the 70's ..."
Alan_speaking says, "Subvertive textst again "
Alan_speaking says, "VIDEO work associated with NAFTA treaties .."
Rakosha says, "alan -- continuously unfinished priject ... issues of post modernism, affect a community ..."
Alan_speaking talks about that ..
Alan_speaking says, "dusts ... counter-dusts ... did a lot of writing on that and will continue that .."
Alan_speaking says, "Jerry had a lot of beers last night"
Rakosha nods to Dria.
Alan_speaking says, "Jerry is talking .."
Dria says, "'kay"
Rakosha says, "jerry -- ideas in inet text have already been posted to CM ..."
Alan_speaking says, "jerry hasn't read the net textst excepot via mail list .."
Rakosha says, "jerry -- look at some of the relations between what i see in your writing, and some figures, theorists ..."
Alan_speaking says, "is working out the question .."
Alan_speaking says, "he gets a duality out of it .."
Rakosha says, "jerry -- get a duality out of the writings ... text duality .... sondheim/tiffany sexualising and textualizing ..."
Alan_speaking says, "sonheim/tiffany textualising ... ex-duality ... "
Alan_speaking says, "Jerry says .."
Jerry says, "Sondheim alternate names ... "
Rakosha says, "jerry -- tiffany is a an extension of the sondheim persona ..."
Jerry says, "Extensions or sides .."
Lee says, "I'm still trying to figure out dusts & counter-dusts...""
Dria says, "Jennifer."
zone hears/feels/reads circular rhythmic cadence of filtered repetition...'sondheim/tiffany textualising...'
Marty exclaims, "Could well be a typo ... I'm a computer scientist!"
Jerry says, ""
Rakosha says, "jerry -- want to look at (nod dria) relationship with authority and author ... (?)"
Lee says, "That's ok, it has a kind of mysterious quality I like...""
Alan-s sees himself as an extension of the other characters rather than the other way around ..
Alan-s says, "like IRC channeling THROUGH him ..."
Dria dejavus
Alan-s says, "Hardnesses and fastnesses"
Alan-s says, "of names"
Alan-s says, "Cyberspace doesn't escape that .."
Rakosha says, "jerry -- question of flows of syubjectivity being a point of entry rather than something very specific ..."
Jerry says, "Flows of subjectivity as a point of entry along the line rathger than sdomething specific ... muble .."
Rakosha says, "mumble ..."
Jerry says, "yeah"
Dria grings
Dria says, "er...grigs"
Dria sighs
Alan-the-genius says, "Subjectivity is a coagulation ... heuristics form .."
Rakosha says, "alan -- demand towards specific languages ... notion of coagulation ... subjectivity is acoagulation ..."
Dria laughs
Alan-the-genius says, "Leakage beyond subjectivity ... "
Alan-the-genius says, "contructs .."
Rakosha says, ""subject as a construct ... leakage beyond that to another construct, and so on ..."
Rakosha says, "alan"
Alan-the-genius says, "Rakosha's fingers are fast .."
Marty says, "I said that "
Dria smirks
Marty grins mischieviously.
Rakosha says to Marty, "foo ... lost for words ... ;P"
Jerry-the-hatted says, "Sexuality/Textuality"
Rakosha says, "alan -- carnival aspect ... flood of libido ..."
Jerry-the-hatted says, "@rename me to Alan-the-talking-dude"
Rakosha says, "alan -- material gushing forth ..."
Jerry-the-hatted says, "please"
Jerry-the-hatted says, "Which brings me to ..."
Rakosha says, "jerry -- final person"
Rakosha says, "jerry -- chris daver ..."
Jerry-the-hatted asks, "Chris Davy?"
zone . o O (...'carnival'...carne...meat...flesh...flood of libido/blood/secretion. . . )
Rakosha says, "jerry -- images of the Koura ... (?)"
Jerry-the-hatted says, "Koorah"
Jerry-the-hatted asks, "?"
Rakosha nods to Jerry-the-hatted.
Rakosha shrugs.
Jerry-the-hatted laughs.
laurie says, "chora"
Rakosha whistles innocently ...
Jerry-the-hatted says, "Cool."
Rakosha cheers enthusiastically at laurie.
Rakosha says, "alan out of krusteyva (?) ... foo i give up oin these names ..."
Marty says, "Ah ... that makes sense.."
Goatium_Guest says, "laurie gets kristeva points"
Rakosha grins at Marty.
Rakosha tackles Goatium_Guest to the ground !
Rakosha says to Goatium_Guest, "that'd be it ..."
Goatium_Guest says, "wheeeee"
Rakosha says, "alan -- foreclosure and opening simultaneously ..."
Alan-the-fried-chicken says, "Blurring the boundaries .."
Goatium_Guest asks, "is he talking about lacan now?"
Rakosha says, "alan -- language of gestures paralleled by sound ..."
Marty says, "Could be."
Rakosha says, "announcements of the medium as a message ... (mcluhan)"
Alan-the-fried-chicken says, "Moment opening up to every other moment .."
Rakosha says, "alan -- totality that youre tapping into ... similar to a poem ..."
Alan-the-fried-chicken says, "Abject subject "
Alan-the-fried-chicken says, "Cyberspace is anot a cleansed ascii text space .."
Alan-the-fried-chicken says, "sort of opening.."
Goatium_Guest says, "now he's back to kristeva"
Alan-the-fried-chicken says, "not just emoticons .."
Alan-the-fried-chicken says, "Things beyond a list "
Rakosha says, "alan -- CS is not an ascii text space ... when you look at it as an opening, it's everything, turns of phrase, pauses, spelling ..."
Rakosha pokes Marty.
Rakosha exclaims, "spelling ... !"
Alan-the-fried-chicken doesn't want to go to metaphysics ...
Dria says, "betweeen and beyond the lines"
Rakosha says, "alan -- notion of truth is problematised ..."
Alan-the-fried-chicken says, "Still looking as if there's some detailed specifics .."
Rakosha says, "alan -- in lanaguage looking for detailed specificities ... maths is supposed to be well defined ..."
Goatium_Guest says, "he's skipping metaphysics and going to derrida. grrovy"
Rakosha grins.
Marty finds his typing turning into nonsense ..
Dria cheers marty on
Goatium_Guest exclaims, "marty we are counting on you to fill in when Rakosha falls asleep!"
jerry wants alan to talk about thebleeding of text into images ...
jerry says, "What relationshipo between them "
Rakosha says, "jerry -- you've moved into images, as well as text ... bleeding of text into images, and how it's changed your approach to the construction of the text ... relationship between texxt and images ..."
Alan says, "Not affacted each other ..."
Alan Always been in his mind ..
Rakosha says, "alan -- doesn't affect ... the two have alwasy been in my mind ... images are there as 'attache\ments' as an individual piece ..."
Alan says, "inverses .."
Alan says, "Physical mapping of space .."
Rakosha says, "alan -- mapping of physical space ..."
Alan says, "attachment of image is floating up above the text .."
Alan says, "in email ."
Rakosha says, "alan -- on web pages  you can do it, but not email ..."
Marty says, "his email"
Rakosha snoodles Marty frenzily.
Alan says, "Extreme compression .."
Alan licks Rakosha ever so slowly.
Marty says, "Shoosh"
Rakosha says, " alan -- tiny images ..."
Rakosha leans in close to Alan.
Alan says, "Emphasises smallnesss."
Rakosha says, "alan a way of working with the visual and textual ..."
Alan says, "Ari ... draws conclusion .."
Rakosha asks, "a conclusion ... ?!?!?!?"
Marty says, "Concussion>"
Alan says, "C"
Rakosha says, "ari -- thanks alan for doing it "
Rakosha says, "contusion ..."
Goatium_Guest says, "you cant believe the weird dramas I am making in my mind reading this..."
zone . o O (confession...)
Dria says, "con-fusion"
Rakosha says, "ari -- face to face encounter has clarified heaps ..."
Rakosha says, "clap clap clap"