Rakosha says, "law and ethics in cyberspace ..." 
Rakosha says, "is next ..." 
zone asks Rakosha, "ah.  who is the presenter?" 
Dria says, "ah, yup, Rak's got it." 
laurie says, "that sounds like richard mckinnon" 
Rakosha says, "rob cover, suzanne mackenzie and richard mackinnon are presenting ..." 
Dria says, "chaired by Ari Mandoza" 
Rakosha says, "in that order ..." 
Rakosha nods to Dria. 
zone nods...ah 
Rakosha smiles. 
nana fades in from Entry Point and joins you. 
laurie asks, "when is the next session?" 
Alan has @joined you. 
Rakosha says, "erm ... according to" 
Rakosha says, "now ..." 
Rakosha grins mischieviously. 
zone exclaims to Alan, "Alan!" 
laurie laughs 
Dria laughs 
zone gives Alan a hug 
Alan says, "We're on to the next session - " 
laurie says, "does alan need to be snoodled? :)" 
Rakosha nods to laurie. 
Rakosha grins. 
Alan says, "Talking about response to technology etc in a newspaper here" 
Alan says, "Both national and international media use the global highway metaphor." 
Alan says, "Talking about getting schools onto the Internet " 
Alan says, "I'm having difficulty following this paper -" 
Dria says, "sounds kinda fragmenty" 
Alan says, "It's not - it's well argued, but read quickly and where I'm sitting (down below the podium), it's slightly muffled -" 
zone appreciates the effort...this translation of lecture to MOO by Alan is just amazing... 
laurie says, "yes, much appreciated." 
Alan says, "The talk is an analysis of the analysis of the presentation of the Internet etc. in media, i.e. media coverage. Newscoverage -" 
Dria says, "ah...yeah, thnx Alan." 
Alan says, "I think you could read this directly on the Website -" 
Dria hands Alan a gingersnap 
zone laughs 
Alan swallows it hole. 
Alan says, "whole." 
zone wants more shuffling of papers and breathing 
zone says, "hole" 
Dria shuffles and breathes. 
zone says to Dria, "thank you" 
laurie coughs. 
Dria says, "my pleasure" 
zone says to laurie, "thank you too :)" 
Alan says, "Various uses of the internet for information etc. - thinking of the Internet as restructuring and revolutionizing society - the audience can not only absorb info on the Net but can configure/contribute to it" 
laurie says, "oh, it's just my cold. i'll sneeze in a while." 
zone configues and contributes 
Alan says, "Talking about newsgroups as a new system of transferring informatoin from creator to reader" 
nana asks, "I am sorry but I miss the first bit, whose paper is this?" 
Alan says, "relating to broadcast news phonein polls" 
Dria says, "hm...not "people" but "people with access to tech."  Sorta different." 
Alan says, "I don't have the information in front of me - check the schedule on the webpage" 
Alan says, "talking about who has access to the Internet -" 
nana nods 
Alan says, "How many people can and do access the Net -" 
laurie says, "the one thing i'm happiest about my teaching this semester is that i got my freshmen on usenet and email and the web." 
Alan says, "This is Rob Cover - Social Development, Social Reality, and Internet; the panel is Law and Ethics in Cyberspace; the Chair is Ari (T-Bone) Mendoza" 
Dria says, "hey, laurie, neat.  We're doing that on a full-scale basis here...this year and next." 
Alan says, "I would definitely read this on the webpage if you can -" 
Dria wanders to the coffee machine...brb 
laurie says, "i feel that by getting them on email and usenet i'll have done something that will keep them learning about writing long after my class is over." 
nana asks Alan, "the papers?" 
Alan says, "That are being read at the moment -" 
Alan says, "The first paper at least. " 
Dria says, "to laurie yeah, 'value added' education...that's sorta what we're going for, at least :)" 
Alan says, "Talking about global culture. Education depending on the proximity to urban centers..." 
Dria grumbles quietly 
laurie asks, "why grumble, dria?" 
Alan asks, "Why, dria, why?" 
Alan says, "Talking about the history of newspapers at the moment in relation to the Internet" 
Alan says, "Talking about the movement of CMC from a community project to a fully commercial one." 
Dria says, "I'm still a MOO newbie, and it shows sometimes :)  I hate bein' a newbie :>" 
Alan laughs. 
laurie says, "if you have a name, then you're not a newbie." 
Dria grins 
Alan says, "Summarzing restrictions on mass media systems" 
Alan says, "costs marginalize individuals and minorities (re: internet)" 
Alan says, "talking about a marxist interpretation of the media/internet - hegemony etc. - eventual regulation and intervention will allow the net to be controlled..." 
Alan says, "most censorship at this stage has been pornography..." 
Dria says, "hey, sounds right up my (Marxian) alley :)" 
Alan says, "restrictions of other material will be highly plausible." 
zone cringes 
Alan says, "constraints of channel operators, self-censorship, etc..." 
Alan says, "internalization of (external) restrains" 
Alan says, "will not be a free, unrestricted, alternative medium (the internet)" 
Alan says, "its social reality" 
Dria  wonders cringe? 
Alan cringes wonder. 
zone says to Dria, "image of encroaching restriction to 'net" 
Alan says, "yeah..." 
zone nods 
laurie says, "i worry about fop-l sometimes." 
Alan says, "to laurie - go on -" 
Alan asks, "How does the internet relate to the global class-structured society?" 
laurie says, "well, indiana is a very conservative family values state and purdue is a state funded university." 
Dria says, "well...not so much the encroaching restrictions, just the continuing exclusion of the vast majority of the working class...etc. (babbling about appropriation and control of technology by upper class, wealthy, etc.  capitalist hegemony et al.) :>" 
laurie says, "sometimes i worry that fop-l might be closed down by the local authorities." 
zone . o O (internet/global class structure = clash) 
Alan says, "Lower and other classes likely to be in difficulty as a result of the way the internet form s community" 
Dria says, "but you still have to be able to buy the tech." 
Alan says, "This is being projected..." 
zone poses 
Dria grins nervously *wave* 
Alan says, "The Internet breaks down global boundaries for those affluent enough to gain access - lateral relationships among the technological elite." 
Alan says, "(my interpretation of what's being said at the moment)" 
laurie says, "but you also have to know to want the tech...which may be a big hurdle as well." 
zone loves the Alan/filter process 
laurie asks, "isn't the desire a class issue as well?" 
Dria says, "ahh!  Heh.  I thought you meant that everyone at the conf was reading :>" 
Alan says, "No, go and read, not this, but the Webpage simultaneously..." 
Alan says, "The mic I htinkwas reset - can't hear so well -" 
Dria says, "there's also the matter of who designs and develops the tech...the political decisions which underlie that process profoundly infoluence the shape of technology as a whole..." 
Alan says, "hold on" 
zone holds on 
laurie says, "yes, dria." 
Dria muckles on to Alan.  Holding. 
Alan says, "There are about thirty people here. The room is cool. " 
laurie asks, "has the attendance been good?" 
Alan says, "What can be done to allow the internet to remain unfettered by the constraints that have affected all other media" 
laurie asks, "can it even be done?" 
Dria says, "right now...no.  Paradigm shifts are required.  That's our job :)" 
Alan says, "Exactly." 
Alan says, "Push and struggle against the increasing commodification, etc. - the paper just ended with this..." 
Alan says, "There will be a q&a here at this point." 
Dria beams happily...sounds like my thesis :) 
zone . o O (hackers working on from the inside out...educators working from the outside in...) 
Alan says, "Jon Marhsall is asking - " 
Dria says, "culture hacking." 
laurie asks, "what? what is he asking?" 
Alan says, "Jon is asking about connecting aboriginal cultures -" 
zone says to Dria, "paradigm hacking" 
laurie exclaims, "ooh, i could go for that!" 
Dria says, "oo...yeah.  Paradigm hacking." 
Alan says, "Martin just asked if "this is still live". No, I'm dead. " 
laurie says, "sounds like a great title: Hacking the Paradigm" 
zone laughs at ALan 
Dria says, "has to start from the ground up tho...from the design tot he implementaion...to the implementation." 
laurie asks, "what comes before the design?" 
Alan says, "talking about connection levels..." 
Dria says, "hm...philosophy." 
laurie asks, "what does the philosophy rise out of? what is it in response to?" 
Dria says, "er...the paradigm :>  (is this a quiz? ;)" 
laurie says, "just trying to figure out where it all starts. :)" 
Dria says, "yeah...that's the really hard part." 
Dria says, "but it all works in a dialectical relation...if we start changing the implementation, the design, philosophy, and paradigm will all be affected." 
laurie asks, "does it start with a problem? or a situation? why do anything at all?" 
laurie asks, "what prompts the conclusion that change is needed?" 
Dria says, "why do anything?  because the current paths of technology & telecommunications are on a slippery slope.  Haves are becoming info-haves.  Have-nots, info-have-nots.  It's...undemocratic." 
Dria says, "ethically questionable." 
Dria says, "we have to ensure that the bright futures we envision can actually become a reality." 
Alan says, "I'm back here -" 
Alan says, "Fanny is asking a question but I just walked in. We're trying to get the camera pictures downloaded so we can send them out and get other pictures up." 
Alan says, "Stelarc is in the audience and is smiling, reading the screen... say hello to Stelarc..." 
Dria says, "Hello to Stelarc :)" 
Alan says, "Acknowledgement is being taken at this end..." 
zone vaporizes and vibrates a hello to Stelarc 
Alan says, "I am a simultaneous translator of me..." 
Dria says, "Oh Alan, you get to have all the fun." 
Alan says, "Talking about recent marxist analyses of distribution as opposed to consumption..." 
Alan  :-)s 
Alan says, "Talking about using the virtual experience to bring back to the real (this is still the q&a period)" 
laurie says, "that's what I mean, dria. we have to start our change with our conception of the situation we want to change." 
laurie says, "we can't change design, implementation, paradigm or any of that without knowing the situation that we want to change. and it's knowing the situation that's the hard part." 
Dria says, "but laurie, that's *us*...we know what's going on out here, how important it is.  It's the current non-users I'm worried about.  They don't even know that there is something to be fighting for out here.  The situation, right now, is an ephermal one, "