Alan says, "I'm on here and Richard MacKinnon is going to speak now, introducing himself." 
laurie says, "well, i feel better than i did yesterday." 
Alan says, "He's wearing a cowboy hat." 
Alan says, "Apologizes for missing the first panel." 
Alan says, "Overslept completely." 
zone smirks 
Alan says, "Did some laundry." 
laurie asks, "how tall is he?" 
zone cracks up 
Alan says, "Inquired some new shoes." 
Dria giggles 
Alan says, "Breaking them in, doesn't understand the loops in the front." 
Alan says, "Apparently they're for pulling on the shoes." 
Dria says, "but is he cute?  ;>" 
zone ha hahahahahha 
Alan says, "Lives in Texas, where it's hot, and skinny people don't like cold weather." 
laurie asks, "so does that mean he's skinny?" 
Alan says, "Commandeers Jerry's jacket. He thinks so (Laurie)" 
laurie says, "alan, you just don't give the kind of details grrls want." 
Dria laughs 
Alan says, "His talk is on governance in cyberspace, revolvles around this term he's coined, cybergovernance" 
laurie asks, "which means?" 
Dria says, "cyberparadigmatic-shift" 
Dria says, "coinage. ;>" 
Alan says, "Cybergovernance is what goes on COMPLETELY within cyberspace. Shuts out what's going on with the outside. Internet as social form of computing, sociology of cyberspace." 
Alan says, "How people in c. get along or don't get along w/ each other." 
Alan says, "Without relying on external authority strucutre." 
laurie says, "ahhh, wish i had a chance to talk with him. this interests me a lot too." 
Alan says, "3 main divisions w/in cybergovernance: 1. theoretical origins - where does the institution come from? first people thought of it as anarchic utopia." 
Alan says, "This didn't last very long. People would get very tired very quickly." 
Alan says, "Out of these rules governance occurs." 
laurie asks, "how does the software set up possiblities for governance?" 
Alan says, "Part two, virtual crime."Talking about virtual rape agian in c." 
Alan asks, "Third part, how do we go about punishing the virtual offenders of a cybercrime?" 
Dria has disconnected. 
Alan says, "Lsatly, what he calls "cyberpain" which comes out of studying virtual punishment." 
laurie asks, "hmm, is this article on the website as well?" 
Dria has connected. 
Alan says, "Not sure." 
Dria disappears in a puff of blue smoke. 
Dria has @joined you. 
laurie says, "i'll look for it later." 
Alan says, "Talking about getting onto Usenet in the late 1980s - and hi dria (from me, not him)" 
laurie says, "welcome back, dria." 
zone waves to Dria 
Dria says, "re." 
Dria says, "hi Alan" 
Alan says, "talking about flaming on usenet as helping to create general rules, mores, traditions etc. also playing a role" 
laurie asks, "what about the role of FAQs?" 
Alan says, "now he's talking about a roomful of Alans different than a virtual room full of virtual Alans" 
laurie asks, "huh?" 
Dria looks at Alan, wondering if Richard actually said "Alan" or not ;> 
zone must disappear for a while... 
zone has disconnected. 
Alan says, "neurotic on both sides - but he (Richard) gets the idea that there are some people who are opaque - we're cutting this part out - now it's getting interesting - purpose of the talk to let people know what he knows something about - there are these ruels, we want to start breaking them, flaming comes up as one wa of dealing with them" 
Alan exclaims, "Richard said I was neurotic!!!!!!!!!!" 
Dria laughs.  Good on ya ;> 
laurie says, "how could he tell??? :)" 
Alan says, "Flamewars can drive people away in cyberspace ---" 
A very large pelican scoops zone up in its enormous beak and flies off to drop her in bed. 
Alan says, "Talking about the moderator model..." 
Raxcip has @joined you. 
Alan says, "We're now at the second point..." 
Dria says, "hey, Rax. " 
Raxcip says, "Hi all" 
Alan says, "Need to look more closely at the types of rules that can be broken." 
laurie says, "hi, raxcip" 
laurie asks, "which rules are those?" 
Raxcip listens in, catching up... 
Alan says, "Cyberspatial rules - and now we're talking about the Julian Dibbell article again - etc. - description going on at the moment. The lambdaMOO incident. What are we going to do about it? " 
Dria says, "prolly the unwritten 'netiquette' stuff" 
laurie says, "how does changing technology change the rules that can be broken, enable new ways of breaking rules." 
Alan asks, "Which brings us up to the third part - how are we going to punish the virtual offender?" 
laurie says, "i'm thinking about spam programs on usenet." 
Alan says, "yeah" 
Dria zones ... Patrick Stewart on Leno...brb :> 
Alan says, "Talking about computer crime as too overly generalized. Computer-mediated offsense..." 
laurie asks, "what happens to the virtual offender?" 
Alan exclaims, "We're running all ove rthe place!" 
Alan exclaims, "Jerry Everard is reading the screen!!!" 
laurie exclaims, "hi jerry!" 
Alan says, "He waves hello! I'm still being used as Richard's example" 
Dria says, "hi Jerry :>" 
Dria says, "Oh Alan, you get to have all the fun ;>" 
laurie asks, "are you the offender, alan?" 
Alan says, "Jerry waves hello." 
Alan says, "Offender and apparent victim..." 
Alan says, "We should deal with cyberrape in cyberspace..." 
laurie asks, "are you going to be punished?" 
Alan exclaims, "Only if I pay!!!!!!!!!!!!" 
Alan laughs. 
Dria giggles maniacally 
laurie laughs. 
laurie asks, "but how do we deal with cyberrape in cyberspace?" 
Alan says, "Considering just ways of virtaul offenders. Ari gives the signal. Now we've got to go, that means that Richard is summarizing the discussion at the moment. Yay! It's all very new, cyberspace, and it makes sense the first time the cybcommunity sees crime, it kills the person (Mr. Bungles example)... open up for questions and answers. etc."