Alan has @joined you. 
Rakosha smiles at Alan. 
zone waves to Alan 
bree smiles at Alan. 
laurie says, "hi, alan" 
Jonah says, "sorry folks, i gotta go now." 
Rakosha says to Jonah, "foo ..." 
laurie says, "bye, Jonah. come back soon." 
Rakosha nods to Jonah. 
Jonah says, "maybe i'll see you later, and if not then tomorrow morning" 
zone says to Jonah, "bye" 
Alan says, "Well, we're in the middle of a multimedia presentation, and there are images on the screen behind me - it's a hacker aesthetic in relation to animation, etc. - multimedia - bye jonah" 
Goatium_Guest says, "Well tell me I'm missing something good at the conference then? ;)" 
Jonah says, "bye alan..." 
Alan says, "There's sound and light and motion and all sorts of stuff - a juggler going on about juggling at the moment, it's with three spheres - all animated on a $1000 machine - " 
Alan laughs. 
Jonah exclaims, "and goodbye to everyone else!  great being here!" 
Rakosha waves to Jonah. 
Goatium_Guest exclaims, "cya jonah!" 
Alan says, "How many miles of hour can we squeeze down to a little machine with ONE MEG OF RAM - actually it's pretty incredible -" 
Alan laughs. 
Alan weeps! 
Jonah has disconnected. 
Rakosha chuckles. 
zone doesn't belive Alan 
bree says, "so whats happeningpage goatium heehee...wish i was up in the conf room right now.." 
bree ooops 
Rakosha chuckles at bree. 
Alan says, "It's true seriously - these are rough and ready electronic graffiti - his name for it - now there's sound again , a bit techno -" 
bree pays attention... 
Alan says, "something called Red Sector from a German group who (naturally) became a commercial software company" 
A very large pelican scoops Jonah up in its enormous beak and flies off to drop them in bed. 
Goatium_Guest asks, "so which building is this conference being held in?" 
zone has disconnected. 
Alan says, "Actually some beautiful stuff on the screen - "vewry nice protection but the copy killer was killed" - msg on the screen - visual graffiti associated with the image - the demos became an end in themselves" 
A very large pelican scoops zone up in its enormous beak and flies off to drop her in bed. 
laurie says, "i don't understand what's meant by demos" 
Alan says, "delivered in those early days by emaimail and bulletin board systems" 
Alan says, "small animation programs etc. that were done at the end of programs that ran on basic operating systems etc. - " 
laurie says, "ok" 
zone has entered Conference Room. 
Alan says, "whole range of functions associated with these - a number of traits associated with this stuff - demos not for sale - authors use pseudonyms or tags taken from pop culture, comics, sci fi etc. - items allude to syndicated allegience with group name -" 
Alan says, "program overt functions is message passing and cutting (who could do the best effects)" 
Alan says, "greetings and super greetings, respects were passed on - kinetic qualities" 
Alan says, "built from the ground up - '" 
Alan says, "commercial software still can't do some of this stuff - realtime computer generated music often part of the presentation" 
Alan says, "sequencing software or stuff with similar prinicples" 
Alan says, "visual effects pushing the limits of the machine" 
Alan says, "individuals would discover undocumented features, etc. - repoertoire of visual kinetic effects developed - " 
Alan says, "frequently uninhibited egotistical vernacular text - uncompromising" 
Alan says, "materials distributed within closed culture for the most part" 
Alan says, "visual presentation often non-narrative linked by music as background" 
Alan says, "music providing cues for change - almost entirley male gender produced" 
zone . o O (MTV) 
Alan says, "very few references to females being active participants in the subculture" 
laurie asks, "why almost entirely male?" 
Alan says, "guess (my comment)" 
Alan says, "it's early male hacker culture" 
Alan says, "Steven Levy talks about this." 
laurie asks, "girls didn't want to or girls weren't allowed?" 
Alan says, "The speaker goes on to say a lot of this was written in assembler language in the first place" 
Alan says, "Graphic style derived from scifi etc. - effects often copied from other demos etc. international origins mainly from Northern Europe" 
Alan says, "Finland, Norway, Denmark, etc. -" 
Alan says, "evidence of cross-national cooperation, production, etc." 
Alan says, "This is being projected on the side wall of the conference room" 
Alan says, "Evidence of predominately adolescent male youth participation (no surprise here, sez alan)" 
Dria has arrived. 
zone asks Alan, "animated imagery being projected?  or stills...?" 
Rakosha smiles at Dria. 
Alan says, "super narrow experts of narrow specialization" 
Dria smiles hello 
Alan says, "animated imagery - the hacker demos themselves" 
Alan says, "Hi dria" 
laurie says, "hi dria" 
Alan says, "we're at a conference now dealing with hacker demos" 
Dria says, "ah...neato. :)" 
zone nods...dreaming up her own animation projections... 
Alan says, "Distribution nowadays through websites etc. -" 
Alan exclaims, "This was AMIGA TECHNOLOGY GOOD GRIEF COMMODORE AMIGA TECH!!!!!!!!!" 
Goatium_Guest goes out through the out door. 
Alan laughs. 
Alan weeps with joy! 
Rakosha grins. 
zone asks Alan, "why you so thrilled, Alan?" 
Lister goes out through the out door. 
Dria does a yay for commodore dance 
Alan says, "On the PC, hacking direclty into the VGA display capabilities of the computer" 
Alan says, "Because of the simplicity" 
zone says, "ah" 
laurie says, "poor amiga buffs." 
Alan thinks joy to them - they still control the video specefx market. 
Alan says, "More examples are going to be shown at the moment..." 
Alan says, "There was an article in Wired - demo or die, Electronic Graffiti - demo from Sanity in germany" 
Alan exclaims, "Demos distributed on 800k floppies!!!!!" 
laurie says, "sounds like a case of 'you work with what you got'" 
Alan exclaims, "Operating speed is 8 megahertz of the machines!!! WOw!~!!" 
Alan says, "Everyone pauses why the group stuff loads..." 
Rakosha waves to the pause. 
zone pauses and generates electronic fantasy image projections in her mind...multicolored eliptical popcultural swarm... 
Dria acknowledges the pause...thinking of lag, hopinig otherwise ;> 
Rakosha chuckles. 
Dria plays a haunting rendition of the X-Files theme on her flute...(tangental, I) 
Alan says, "this is pretty incredible stuff being loaded and presented at the moment -  a lot of MONDO type art in combination with geometric patternings etc."
Alan says, "it's going on for quite a while - group called Sanity from Germany" 
Lister fades in from Entry Point and joins you. 
Rakosha goes home. 
Alan says, "This was on one 800k floppy - seriously impressive - amazing amount of material - it just ended - talking about graphic display browsers now - groups used to ppublish disk magazines etc. -" 
Alan says, "Typical disk magainze ocming up on the screen now. " 
zone considers the name 'Sanity'...assumes their imagery might be a bit unhinged & somewhat psychotic... 
Alan says, "Jerry Everard just looked at the screen..." 
laurie asks, "the moo screen?" 
Alan says, "decompressoin going on" 
Alan says, "Yes" 
laurie says, "hi, jerry" 
Alan says, "Freedom Crack Issue #11 up now" 
Alan says, "It's hypertext even - this is from years and years ago -" 
laurie asks, "when?" 
Alan says, "This is four years old, not that old - this material is still being produced - can pick up Amiga computers for about $60 that do this stuff." 
Dria says, "it was hardly "typical" then, was it. :>" 
Dria says, "ah...I was thinking from earlier" 
Alan exclaims, "Most of them were, from years earlier. We're looking at something called War! article!" 
laurie says, "i suppose typical within that particular genre of zine." 
Alan exclaims, "EVERYONE IS HAVING A GOOD TIME HERE!" 
Lister grins. 
Dria says, "I'm certainly enjoying myself ;>" 
Lister says, "absolutely ..." 
zone smiles 
laurie asks, "which here are you talking about? both heres that you're in, alan?" 
Alan says, "We've only got a couple of minutes to go here, and we're going to look at another demo -" 
Alan exclaims, "Laurie, I guess everywhere!" 
Alan exclaims, "It's cheery here!" 
bree grins 
laurie smiles 
Dria says, "I think I'd be having a better time if I has some well-cut Aussie man on my arm :>" 
Alan says, "Quality of music production is quite stunning on this stuff." 
Lister agrees with Dria ... 
laurie says, "dria and lister, me too." 
Alan says, "Tagging goes back to the atari, apple 2, now moving onto the pc, the visual capabilities are driving the scene on." 
Alan says, "You can get this stuff on websites" 
Dria s 
Alan says, "Http://www.ipron.com/amigaweb/amiscene.html - everyone should go to this" 
Dria starts to look vaguely Taoist and toggles into lurky mode (downloadin') 
Alan says, "for pc http://www.cdrom.com/pub/demos/hornet/html/demos.html for pcdemos" 
Alan says, "these are two great starting points - Martin is saying they're prety great." 
Alan says, "I'm just curious if there are any questions -" 
Alan says, "oh, you can buy cdrom collections of this stuff as well -" 
Alan says, "pc ones - whoever would sell them - but they're available -" 
Alan says, "lots of online available" 
Alan says, "part of the idea of demos to squeeze maximum out of machine with minimum of code - 40k to 2-3 megabytes" 
Alan says, "we're at the point of asking questions" 
Dria says, "sounds very zen" 
Alan says, "Jerry asking about female produced ones - doesn't know of any - Dria get to work..." 
Alan says, "please..." 
zone would like to know the use of these demos...beyond the aspect of display and prowess...they seem to be like trading cards... 
Dria says, "heh...I've just wandered to the website...I've got the weekend off..ya never know :)" 
Alan says, "beauty, Zone - they're pretty amazing -a whole esthetics has come out of this -" 
zone nods...yeah 
zone . o O (seems like a nonverbal sharing of the symbolic...) 
laurie says, "this is one example of the frustrating limitation of textuality. i'd go look but the computer would crash." 
Alan says, "they're pretty verbal stuff - text mixed with the imagtes, texts in the floppy zines, etc." 
zone absorbs 
Alan says, "talking about gender and the Internet" 
laurie says, "neat" 
laurie asks, "what about gender and the internet?" 
Dria says, "I figured that'd be a big topic at the conference" 
Rakosha fades in from Entry Point and joins you. 
Alan says, "article by Dr. Leslie Haddon, and some research by Valerie Clark and Joy Teague (sp.?), article covering a lot of gender issue s-" 
Lister has disconnected. 
Alan says, "Oh yeah, an article referenced by Sadie Plant - should look at her stuff - Beyond the Screens -" 
laurie asks, "what are their positions on it?" 
Alan says, "we're moved on from here " 
laurie says, "oh" 
A very large pelican scoops Lister up in its enormous beak and flies off to drop her in bed. 
Alan says, "trying to get a definition of hacker demo for you" 
Alan says, "" 
Alan says, "audio visual demonstration of computer capability" 
Alan says, "hacking is all about getting into unknown features and places." 
laurie exclaims, "cool!" 
Alan says, "talking about hacking the real world now - " 
Dria says, "hm...web hacker demos...(thinkin' outloud :)" 
laurie asks, "how does one hack the real world?" 
Alan says, "crawl around buildings, etc. etc. etc." 
Dria says, "ah laurie, we all do it everyday :)" 
Alan says, "taking a ten minute break here - " 
Alan exclaims, "will be back on!" 
Alan says, "love to eveyrone, whoo whoaaaa..." 
Alan laughs. 
Alan laughs. 
Alan laughs. 
zone hugs Alan 
Alan exclaims, "hang in there!"