THIS WAS THE FIRST MOO LOG FROM THE CONFERENCE.



ALAN SONDHEIM IS UP AT THE FRONT OF THE THEATRE TRANSCRIBING THE SPEAKERS

LIVE UP TO A HUGE PROJECTED SCREEN.



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Ivan says, "ahh huh"

Alan says, "He's introducing himself at the moment - talking about the list as wor king through theoretical issues that come through his studies."

Alan says, "Semiotics of Cybermind - a lot of greek in those words -"

Ivan laughs

Alan laughs and continues -

Jonah fades in from Entry Point and joins you.

Jonah says, "ivan, i keep getting bumped of f . . ."

Alan says, "Hi Jonah - the conf. is in swing, Jerry's talking about cybermind as an object of knowledge -\"

Ivan exclaims, "AAArrrgggghhh!!!!"

Alan says, "Cybermind as discssion list, community, state of mind -"

Jonah asks, "an object?"

Alan says, "C's all of these things, together and individually -"

Alan says, "Yes, Jerry's just starting, showing transparencies -"

Jonah asks, "so where are you guys?  in the real live conference room? "

Alan says, "Philosophy side - the process orientation - yes, here in Perth -"

Alan asks, "How do we feel about being in Cyberspace - and Cyberspace - what is it , what kind of space, etc.?"

Ivan says, "in the maclab"

Alan asks, "What, how, or for whom?"

Alan says, "No, in an auditorium"

Alan says, "I think it's in the school of nursing"

Jonah asks, "and this is being projected on the wall?"

Alan says, "Yes, behind Jerry, but unreadable now, because of the transparencies projected ove rit."

 Jonah says, "ahh--i was going to bow and  wave to the audience . . ."

Jonah bows and waves to the audience anyway .

Alan says, "Jerry feels a spot of Greek coming on. Cybermind the community - community as a word is an essentially contested term."

Jonah asks, "so your role is to repo rt what's going on at the conference?"

Ivan says, "I,m in the  lab and the guy next to me is researching Gridiron rush/pass statistics"

Alan says, "Jerry if giving Gk. etymology of "community" -"

Ivan asks, "which is ?"

Alan says, "No, I'm doing this gratis; I gave the keynote earlier -"

Jonah asks, "thank you.  what did Alan says?"

Alan says, "Later -"

Alan says, "Jerry's talking about his early subjective experiences of Cybermind."

Alan says, "He was on the Foucault list, and was in touch with Michael Current."

Alan says, "First message from the fifth of July 1994 - his first"

Alan says, "Talking about the Rape in Cyberspace article that was sent to the list  -"

Alan says, "Early posts were fairly lengbthy considered pieces, about community"

Alan says, "Cyb was already self-reflexive, about what was community, etc., whether Cyb was one, etc. Current called Cyb a nascent community."

Ivan asks, "how seriously do people take Rape In Cyberspace?"

Alan says, "Jerry Everard is speaking - "

laurie says, "hi"

Alan says, "Early on, there was a boundary-making process already turning Cyb into  a community"

Alan says, "Talking about Current's death - was the feeling real - for Jerry this  was the defining moment of Cybermind as community - his death and the grief over  it, the posts, were a catalyst for community coming together, sharing fellowshi p, tribute to the dead, a convergence -"

Alan says, "Cybermind is a state of mind - Cyber and mind, two components - from greek Kyber, to steer or govern - "

Alan says, "On the other side, the wd. mind - talking about the various meanings inherent in it."

Alan says, "Jerry tells an anecdote. "

Jonah says, "hello, laurie"

Alan says, "Then state of memory, recollection, state of thinking about sometrhing, etc. - all defs. or part of defs. of mind -"

Alan says, "He's showing a transparency again"

laurie says,  "hi, jonah"

Alan says, "Kyber, state of steering, thinking of state, etc. etc. - talking about practice of governance"

Jonah asks, "so what 's happening?"

Alan says, "Transparency up - with three things: Cybermind as state of mind: Hivemind;  Lateral/networked pattern of thought / Example of Body-Without-Organs"

Alan exclaims yow! Heh! lots of typing

Alan says, "BWO - arrangements within the flows of cultural practice...."

Jonah says, "ohh BwO--deleuze and guattari are my  favorite philosophers"

Alan says, "Jerry is concluding - Cyb is 3 things - discussion list, community, state of mind - talking about discussion _about community_) -"

Alan says, "Then Cyb _as_ community - one which has practiced forms of governance -"

Alan says, "Illustrative of Deleuzian anti-oedipal subject, the body-without-organs"

Alan exclaims, "I just got complimented... whew!"

Alan says, "Jerry finishes..."

Alan says, "Richard Mackinnon introduces the discussant, Lynne Roberts"

Alan says, "She's talking about her work, Phd., student here at Curtin - active on MOOs, newsgroups, mailing lists, etc."

laurie says, "but Alan, tell those of us at home what the y look like! if you dare...:)"

Alan says, "She's summarizing the discussion -"

Alan says, "We'll send some images out on the Web page or to the list later after we download the software on the computesr here -"

laurie says, "ok, ok. i'll wait if i have to."

Rakosha fades in from Entry Point and joins you.

Alan says, ""You'll have to! :-)"

Jonah says, "hello rakosha"

Rakosha says to Jonah, "hey ..."

laurie asks, "what i s she saying?"

Alan says, "She's talking about jon talking about the high volume of cyb during th e first month and that the topics discussed then are still being discussed now - "

Alan says, "Talking about the first flame war which was on the surface over spelling but more deeply over cultural values."

Alan asks, "Lynne asks why cybermind is a community and not a group - where are the obundaries between the two?"

laurie says, "I must not have been around for that flame war."

Alan says, "Summarizing Jerry's paper now. - no, it was only during the first ten days."

Alan says, "Both papers (Alan notes) were first - person to some extent..."

Alan asks, "Lynne discusses Cybermind as a virtual community?"

laurie says, "I thin k it would be hard to talk about cybermind from anything other than the first pe rson."

Alan asks, "Is everyone who is subbed to the list part of the community?"

Alan says, "I agree (w/ Laurie) -"

Jonah says, "no--we should all be gendered plural--we should all  be saying WE"

Alan asks, "is the cyb community only the people who post a lot?"

laurie says,  "we is still first person, plural rather than singular"

Alan says, "Are the lurkers part of the community, or people who just read the archives part of the community? "

Jonah says, "the same way that d + g write A THOU SAND PLATEAUS:  w/ the "we""

Rakosha sits in one of the conference seats.

Alan asks, "What does the virtual community called cyb consist of? Is it the messages posted, or the list aura, etc.?"

laurie says, "something brings the lurkers in. something commits  them to read it."

Alan forgot to sit down and is totally exhausted!

Rakosha grins at you.

Alan sits, thank God!

laurie says, "even if they don't feel they have something to say."

laurie sits in one of the conference seats.

Alan says, "Researches are finding people are feeling a sense of community, in spite of lack of full physical contact, etc."

Jonah sits in one of the conference seats .

Alan asks, "What effect does Cyb etc. as community have on the individuals involved?"

laurie exclaims, "oh, lordy. now that's a question!"

Alan says, "Talking about time spent in cyberspace may withdraw from time spent in real life communities, civic duties,e tc."

Jonah says, "first person plural--of course!  and i te ach english . . ."

Alan says, " (sorry about the typing) "

laurie says, "well, cyb has prompted me to log on to a moo in Australia to attend a conference in australia from my chair in Indiana, in spite of the fact i have a bad cold. So i guess cyb has affected me."

Alan asks, "Why does cybermind continue to be continually successful when other li sts have failed?"

Alan says, "Richard opens up the room and panel to discussion -"

Alan says, "Richard's asking for questions -;"

marky fades in from Entry Point and joins you.

Rakosha pokes Ivan.

laurie says, "to be successful a list has to have a small set of people who will  post regardless."

marky  yawns tiredly.

Jonah asks, "r egardless of what?"

Alan says, "Questio from audience - describes community as habitus - rules we follow without realizing we follow rules"

laurie says, "regardless of whether or not anyone seems to be reading one's post s"

Rakosha says, "inbred ..."

Jona h asks, "is there not indication that someone's reading by the # of responses?"

Alan says, "Habit forming things we specify without consciously following them - g olfswing as an example, "feel for the game" - perhaps cyb has a strong habitus -  strong feeling, subliminallly what's going on, common language -"

laurie says, "but to get a list started, you  have to keep it going long enough for people to begin to become comfortable answ ering. that doesn't happen right away."

Alan says, "Jerry talks - about the manner i n which people write mail to the list "

 (Jonah says, "habit is memor y at the level of the body.  if we're striving for a BwO, then perhaps we should  be moving away from "habitus" . . ."

Alan says, "It can happen within a week or two - I've seen intit (Alan notes)"

Alan says, "Jerry talking about addressing those "extra bits" taking account of, caring for, how the message might be received - a developing practice "

laurie says, "but someone has to be willing to keep posting when other people go quiet."

Rakosha nods to laurie.

Alan exclaims, "Jerry talks about the mix of people who are there, people who are thoughtful and sensitive (yay all of us)!"

Rakosha chuckles.

Imago has @joined you.

laurie exclaims, "i hope I'm included in that group too!"

Jonah blushes, as he is most sensitive

Rakosha chuckles.

Alan says, "Jon talks - community as a world or label applies to a whole series of things that make the group valuable to them."

Alan exclaims, "Jon just broke a chair!"

Alan exclaims, "laughs crazily!"

Rakosha grins.

Rakosha cackles maniacally.

laurie says, "poor little chair. "

Alan asks, "Jon talks about no set habitus... Why in the west do we have this preoccupation with calling things community?"

Alan exclaims, "Jon says one of the simple things that keep cybermind going is that there is traffic on it all the time!"

Alan hopes you post like crazy today, tomorrow and forever!

blaurie says, "t hat's just what I mean. the traffic keeps a list alive."

Alan says, "talking about how "Alan posts a huge amount and there are a number of others of us who are fairly voluble as well""

Alan says, "Gives you an actual volume in your mailbox""

 you      "If you sub to cybermind, you know it!!!

Alan exclaims, "If you sub to cybermind, you know it!!!"

Rakosha grins.

Imago . o O ( no shit )

laurie exclaims, "that's the truth!"

Alan says, "Some people can't handle that, then they go somewhere else..."

Rakosha grins at Imago.

Jonah exclaims, "i've just posted two responses!  somebody answer quick!"

Imago giggles at Rakosha.

Alan says, "Community is essemtially a bonding term which people use to hold themselves togehter"

Alan says, "Jerry says there's no such things as community as object - it builds,  process, produced as a symptom of its practices --"

laurie says, "i agree with Jerry"

Alan says, "Jon points out any email list is a constantly varying collection of people --"

Jonah says, ""the BwO is a component of passage""

Alan asks, "Jonah - how so?"

Jonah says, "i'm quoting d + g p. 158 from A THOUSAND PLATEAUS."

Alan says, "Thanks - I'll pass that on -"

Jonah says, "i thought this made sense given jerry's comment about process, building, rather than object"

Jonah says, "and also his earlier comments about the BwO . . ."

Jonah says, "see my recent posts to the cybermind e-list too for some more d+g." 

Ivan asks, "whAts bwo?"

Jonah wants to be a french philosopher

Imago notes that French philosophers sound good even when they say nothing.

Jonah says, "BwO = body w/o organs.  jerry mentioned it!  it's a "plateau" in A THOUSAND PLATEAUS by the french poststructural philosohers gilles deleuze and fe lix guattari  . . ."

Jonah believes the silence of french philosophers is golden

Rakosha smiles.

laurie would like to have a body without organs.

Imago grins at Jonah.

Jonah asks, "would you now?  what would you look like?"

Jonah says, "aren't you a BwO right now?  "

Alan says, "I just talked a bit about the BWO comment here - "

Jonah asks, "isn't that what we are?"

laurie says, "well, i wouldn't have t his cold right now."

Alan says, "Myself, I'm a group of organs without a body - that should be evident. .."

Jonah says, "thank you alan.  i now feel part of this community"

Rakosha chuckles at laurie.

Alan says, "Well, organs, pianos, etc..."

Imago says, "No..I'm a pained butt without recourse..jeesh"

Rakosha slaps her forehead.

Rakosha grins.

Imago grins at Rakosha.

Alan says, "I talked a bit about lurkers and their relaitonship to a list in relation to the body in net sex - if you stop writing you disappear - embodiment is a  critical issue"

Imago disappears

marky yawns tiredly.

Imago hands Marky a cup of coffee

laurie coughs.

Jonah hands laurie a coughdrop

marky brightens up

Imago winks slyly to marky.

Alan suffers from an invisible blow!

laurie asks, "thank you. do you have any nyquil?"

Rakosha acks.

marky exclaims, "Virtual coffee fix!"

Imago blows the invisible

Jonah asks, "you might go to sleep too soon, though.  aren't you gonna be up all night, indiana girl?"

marky asks, "Huh?"

laurie says, "well, it's only 10:23 pm now. i can stay up a while longer. "

Gillian has arrived.

Imago waves to Gillian.

Gillian waves to everyone here.

marky pokes Jonah.

laurie says, "hi, gillian."

Rakosha smiles.

Jonah asks, "logged on to this superintense serious party?"

Alan says, "talking about how community develops everywhere..."

Alan says, "as well as net sexuality"

Imago says to Jonah, "Have a scotch..does wonders."

laurie asks, "any discussion of discourse communities?"

Jonah asks, "net sexuality develops everywhere?"

Imago votes we have an orgy..RIGHT NOW!

marky slaps Imago across the cheek.

Rakosha tackles Imago to the ground !

Imago licks Alan

Jonah asks, "sure your name isn't archimago?"

Ivan exclaims, "Yo Tang!!!!"

Rakosha bites Imago hungrily.

Imago giggles at Jonah.

marky throws bucket of cold water on imago

Gillian says, ""

Jonah wants to be swallowed by a big whale

Imago yells "TOWANDA!!!" and leaps for Rakosha

Gillian says, ""

Rakosha eep's.

Alan watches the audience laughing at your derrings-do!!!!!!!

Rakosha grins at you.

marky exclaims, "Break it up!"

Alan only has one derring to contribute...

Rakosha coughs quietly.

Jonah lights a lamp--it's cold and dark in here.

marky exclaims, "Ahem!"

Jonah meets pinocchio!

Rakosha behaves ...

Gillian says, ""Have you had say "what's the reflector n umber?'gillshout"

Alan says, "Jerry talking about discussion as asserting there _are_ people there,  a sense of commitment..."

Ivan laughs heartily

laurie exclaims, "yes, we are here!"

Imago winks slyly to Ivan.

Rakosha goes out through the out door.

Alan says, "Community construction never stops - it's a continuous process, one of socializtaion, identificaiton, etc. -"

Gillian says, "say out"

Gillian goes  out through the out door.

Alan says, "T-bone (Ari) makes a comment aobut what's going on on the screen - how Jonahs' getting input from what Alan's typing, even though he's there only read ing what I'm typing, this is Alan mediated community"

Imago cavorts

laurie says, "we are sociali zing you Imago, even as we type."

Alan laughs hysterically at T-bone who jumps up and down!

Ivanwink imago

Jonah is still waiting for socialized medicine to come to the USA

Ivan winks slyly to Imago.

Imago exclaims to laurie, "Ohmigawd..tell me it ain't so!"

Alan says, "T-bone points out we're seeing two different characters' perspective.. ."

laurie asks, "which two different characters, tbone?"

Alan says, "Because we have two screens projected, one from Martin and one from me  (Alan)"

Imago peeks through the monitor at T-bone

Alan says, "T-bone doesn't want to give a name to what's going on; T-bone asks if it's distracting"

Gillian fades in from Entry Point and joins you.

Rakosha fades in from Entry Point and joins you.

Alan says, "Murmurs from the audience..."

Imago presses eir face to the screen and grins broadly

laurie says, "oh, I see. I find myself wanting to talk to you all in the audience.""

Rakosha trips Imago.

Alan says, "Richard and others talk about mediation...."

laurie says, "and frustrated because I can't really."

Imago thwaps Rakosha gently

Jonah clears his throat.

Jonah wonders what it means to clear one's throat.

Imago exclaims to Jonah, "Speak my son!"

Alan asks, "Jonah, do you think you're at a conference and that T-Bone really jumped up and down - or am I in my bedroom alone?"

Jonah tthinks of the modernist notions of clarity and how they are out the window.

marky asks, "Are you?"

Alan says, "You're right -"

Imago heard that jet plane land and knows where Alan is.

Gillian waves to everyone here.

Jonah asks, "who's t-bone?"

Alan says, "On the list, T-Bone Prone, also Ari"

Imago says to Jonah, "T-bone the prone"

Jonah says, "he's not here in the conference room w/ me"

Jonah says, "okay..."

Imago laughs.

marky says, "Coffee time..."

Jonah says, "i think i'm at a conference b/c i see text scrolling past this screen...."

Alan says, "You're right again"

Jonah says, "and people are saying my name and asking me questions."

Jonah says,  "i'm definitely HERE whatever that means."

Alan says, "There are all sorts of levels of mediation here - we're discussing it  - my typing for example - how this is mediated as well always alkready by langua ge, etc."

Jonah says, "my presence/absence has been known.  this is all i wan t in this world--for somebody to acknowledge me...."

Alan says, "That was from Jerry Everard"

laurie says, "i'm visualizing the conference, trying to imagine you looking at t he screen. two conferences...."

Imago exclaims, "Scrollin' scrollin' scrollin'--keep them loggies rollin'..Raaaawwwwwhide!!!!"

Jonah says, "w/o your typing, alan, i would be in the dark."

Alan says, "We're all drunk..."

Rakosha . o O ( bourbon ... )

Jonah is scared of the dark--like the inside of whales and whatnot

Alan says, "I'm seeing things... like a "conference" Heh..."

Imago enters an altered state

marky says, "Nu are, I'm hungover."

Gillian goes out through the out door.

Jonah asks, "he who types fastest has the most power?"

Jerry says Jonah says, "unless of course people decide to leave the roo m...."

Imago phhbbbbiiiiitttssss at Jonah

Alan says, "T-bone asking if we see this as a new brecach in the history of technology - do you see this as a confirmation, breach, fulfillment, etc. -; Jerry say s pretty much the same thing"

Alan says, "Jerry talking about Plato ...."

Imago omigods

Gillian fades in from Entry Point and joins y ou.

Alan says, "how the mediation of writing was presented as inauthenticaiton because of lackin the immediacyu"

laurie asks, "a breach of what? What is being breached?"

Jonah asks, "i thought plato was on the way out?"

marky puts tape on Jonah's mouth

Alan says, "cybercommunity as a breach of technology"

Alan says, "Jonah, play dough was..."

Imago says, "More like a rift than a breach"

Alan says, "or rupture... "

laurie says, "plato was also talking about writing in terms of the lack of respo nse from the one being read. the lact of dialectic."

laurie says, "no give and take between learner and teacher."

Imago says to laurie, "That's the Phaedrus"

Imago says to laurie, "Bastard children is the  written word..nobody to defend them."

laurie says, "yep, I've read it twice  and have to read it again next semester."

Alan says, "Talk about what Plato was worried about w/ writing - that community me mories would be sublimated by the written, worried about writing as crutch, aid  to memory"

Jonah says, "i'm very interested in this issue of m emory."

Jonah says, "and how the electronic will encourage  forgetting...."

laurie asks, "that one would not carry one's culture within one self?"

Imago says to laurie, "It's my favorite..Plato's relapse."

Alan says, "This is from T-bone - saying we're sort of debated Plato right now - a  community formed entirely from text"

laurie says, "it's my favorite because he starts to acknowledge rhetoric"

Rakosha goes out through the out door.

Alan says, "Tbone talking about a memory formed from an email list..."

laurie says, "yes, a community formed entirely from text! "

Jonah says, ""Substitute forgetting for anamnesis, experimentation for interpretation.  Find your body without organs.  Find out how to make it." from A THOUSAN D PLATEAUS p. 151."

Imago says to laurie, "I think what appeals to me is the emphasis he seems to allow for oral tradition as a kind of 'knowing'. I think that's important"

laurie says, "i hated plato's gorgias."

Jonah asks, "don't derrida and deleuze and guattiar blast plato out of the water ?"

Imago says to laurie, "I hate most of the rest of Plato...oh well..read between the lines I always say"

laurie says, "well, the gorgias was just plain mean-spirited and nasty."

Imago says to Jonah, "No..read Derrida's Dessemination..the Pharmakon"

Jonah says, "doesn't he deconstruct plato in that?  that's what i'm saying... ."

marky has disconnected.

Alan says, "Jerry talks about the radical breach occurs in the way we think throug h the notion of fictionality (this comes out of a discussion of truth in rl here )"

laurie says, "but deconstructing isn't the same thing a s destroying."

Imago says to Jonah, "yes, but he agrees with the notion found in the Phaedrus. "

Jonah wonders about the truth.

Alan says, "We're dealing fundamentaly with levels of fictionality"

Imago nods to laurie.

A very large pelican scoops marky up in its enormous beak and flies off to drop him in bed.

Jonah says, "i would be the last to say that deconstruction = destroying.  but it does identify the contradictions that result from relying upon slippery langua ge."

Jonah wonders about how truth should be spelled--with a capital T or a little t. 

Imago asks Jonah, "ahh, but Jonah..tis all we have in the end now isn't it?"

Jonah exclaims, "exactly!"

laurie says, "fictionality, yes, but the idea of levels is extremely important." 

Alan says, "Brought up Merlin Donald here and external memory as part of the evolution of mind..."

Jonah says, "i'm thinking about deleuze's THE LOGIC OF SENSE"

Jonah asks, "who'se merlin do nald?"

Alan says, "Richard talking about community memory and the building of the cybermind archive that he's established"

Rakosha fades in from Entry Point and joins you.

Gillian says, ""heloo Rakosha""

laurie asks, "speaking of the archive, where a re october and november 96?"

Rakosha says to Gillian, "hi ... :)"

Alan says, "Laurie, did you psot something from the list that was from Michael Current - and did somebody on the list new enough - who asked who Michael Current w as -"

Alan asks, "The other person responded to Michael, didn't know he was dead?"

Alan asks, "Did this really happen?"

Alan exclaims, "Stay tuned!"

Alan says, "Laurie"

laurie says, "i don't think I did. it might have been rose."

Alan says, "Tell us""

laurie says, "i think it happened though."

Alan asks, "Did someone respond as if Michael was alive?"

laurie says, "i think so."

Gillian goes out through the out door.

Gillian fades in from Entry Point and joins you.

Imago notes there can't always be what we want..maybe Michael isn't still conversing with the living.

Rakosha . o O ( or maybe he is, but we don't realise it ... )

Gillian licks its lips.

laurie says, "the dead who wrote remain to converse with the living."

Gillian winks.

Imago is hearing voices...Oh..it's Rakosha!

Rakosha pokes Imago.

Gillian pokes holes in the air.

Imago pokes Rakosha.

Gillian pokes Rakosha.

Rakosha acks.

Gillian acks.

Gillian has disconnected.

Imago figures Rakosha is feeling like a punching bag by now ;)

laurie says, "well, y'a ll better stay away from me unless you want my cold."

Alan says, "Talking about whether Cyb is more like a closed or open monastic order  -"

A very large pelican scoops Gillian up in its enormous beak and flies off to drop it in bed.

Alan exclaims, "Atchoo!!!!!!!!"

Rakosha grins mischieviously at Imago.

laurie exclaims, "a monastic order??????!!!!! i wouldn't use the word monastic!" 

Imago cringes and makes the sign of the cr oss at Alan

Alan says, "We've got to wrap this up unti the next session - not sure when we'll be on again -; I'm going to turn this over to Martin now -"

Rakosha grins at Imago.

Rakosha waves to you.

laurie says, "ok, bye alan."